US Election November 5th

[mudman]

ah the reason for disliking her. A perceived leg up due to her skin colour/ethnicity.

Have you actually looked at her resume? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

She wasn't working in McDonalds before she became VP. She has had a long career in high pressure jobs.

I dislike it when anyone is held back due to some personal characteristic such as ethnicity, but I also dislike it when someone is given a leg up for possessing those characteristics over the heads of other more qualified people. She flunked out of the presidential nominations in the first rounds and Biden said that his VP would be either from an ethnic minority and/or be the opposite ***. That's what he got. There's a reason people say DEI stands for 'Didn't Earn It' and in this case it shows and I am not saying I dislike her for it, I dislike the practice and the result in a lot of cases is sub-par performances which is exactly what happened with her campaign. If they'd selected based on merit, then I expect Trump would be instructing his solicitors right now.

 

[ey_tony]

I believe that this says more about the way that you think than the way anyone else thinks or acts.

I said in another thread, or two already, that we are all different and the fact that we are different should be celebrated.
What shouldn't be celebrated, or even tolerated, is the name calling or foisting an unproven suspected behaviour onto "others".

All of this angst simply because I disagree with a bunch of opinionated anonymous left wing keyboard warriors on an internet forum.

 

[RobinBHM]

over the heads of other more qualified people.

Trump was a reality TV star

There's a reason people say DEI stands for 'Didn't Earn It' and in this case it shows and I am not saying I dislike her for it, I dislike the practice and the result in a lot of cases is sub-par performances which is exactly what happened with her campaign

Ah yes the “DEI hire” trope


“Sub par performances, which is exactly what happened to her campaign”…...Mudman, have you listened to any of Trumps rambling incoherent speeches. “Sub-par performance” is a level way above a Trump speech.

The cognitive dissonance is truly shocking

 

[RobinBHM]

a bunch of opinionated anonymous left wing keyboard warriors on an internet forum.

I agree Tony, it’s terrible how opinionated some people are…some are so tunnel visioned, it’s unreal

 

[sploo]

All of this angst simply because I disagree with a bunch of opinionated anonymous left wing keyboard warriors on an internet forum.

I think it might have more to do with a loop that's been repeated multiple times in this thread, whereby:

1. Tony posts about all the awful things the Dems/Left/etc do
2. People post links to actual evidence that those things are either not true, or have actually been the behaviour of Trump and his supporters, and request some evidence to support your claims
3. Tony ignores content of said post and rants about "lefties"

 

[danst96]

It was not perfectly fine, she was a DEI hire that managed to get the nomination by luck and back stabbing. Her speeches were rambling and faltered if the autocue broke down. She couldn't articulate what her policies were and relied upon celebrity endorsements. She offered nothing beyond 'more of the same' and 'not being Trump'.
But no doubt you won't see it like that, you'll continue to wear your blinkers and blame the ignorant masses instead.

Robin has a colossal chip on his shoulder, enough to just write off and throw blame at close to 60% of the largest, most powerful and richest nation on earth, without knowing one person, their background, what they may be like in real life or the fact they may be some of the nicest people he will never meet. Either that or his completely besotted by a cackling hyena who had no clear policy, is malicious and undemocratic, a back stabber and is nothing more than a puppet. Something that enough people could see to put her in the bin.

The funniest thing is Kamala as VP will be the one that will have to oversee Trump into power on Jan 6th. The humiliation. Thats if she hangs around to do it. Hopefully not.

 

[Agent_zed]

I dislike it when anyone is held back due to some personal characteristic such as ethnicity, but I also dislike it when someone is given a leg up for possessing those characteristics over the heads of other more qualified people. She flunked out of the presidential nominations in the first rounds and Biden said that his VP would be either from an ethnic minority and/or be the opposite ***. That's what he got. There's a reason people say DEI stands for 'Didn't Earn It' and in this case it shows and I am not saying I dislike her for it, I dislike the practice and the result in a lot of cases is sub-par performances which is exactly what happened with her campaign. If they'd selected based on merit, then I expect Trump would be instructing his solicitors right now.

What are your thoughts on the previous Trump administration that saw numerous members of his family given high profile jobs. Something that looks likely to happen again, along with random 'celebrities'.

 

[mudman]

Trump was a reality TV star


Ah yes the “DEI hire” trope


“Sub par performances, which is exactly what happened to her campaign”…...Mudman, have you listened to any of Trumps rambling incoherent speeches. “Sub-par performance” is a level way above a Trump speech.

The cognitive dissonance is truly shocking

The DEI hire trope can be seen everywhere, I myself have come across it in many companies. It happens, it exists, it is lamentable and damaging. The sooner it goes the better. Just calling it a 'trope' and denying it's existence doesn't make it 'misinformation'.

And again you go with the whataboutery. The point being answered was about Kamala, not Trump. He may have been a complete blathering imbecile but the truth or not of it doesn't prove or disprove my point and the fact that Kamala has just lost out to what you really despise and see as on a par with something that resides at the bottom of a swamp should tell you something that most of America can see but you appear blind to.

I suggest you give up now and go for that group hug with your lefty friends where you can all wail about the vicissitudes of the ignorant masses and comfort each other with warm words and remind each other that at least you won in the UK.

 

[danst96]

You are spot on AJP however on this point:

Much of the media were deluded about her chances, but the US people clearly felt she was hopeless. The map of blue versus red is very telling.

I dont think the media was deluded, they were pumping her up to try make it look like she had a better chance or it was a closer race in a hope to swing votes her way. And no i dont have any evidence for this but i just struggle to come up with any other explanation. There were many many reports prior to this election of people voting trump, many who were registered democrats and beyond that even within my relatively small circle of clients and friends, not one was leaning towards Kamala. This was out there in the real world but not reported on in the media and its shown in the results now.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

What are your thoughts on the previous Trump administration that saw numerous members of his family given high profile jobs. Something that looks likely to happen again, along with random 'celebrities'.

Our government's been taking lessons from them.

 

[danst96]

I agree Tony, it’s terrible how opinionated some people are…some are so tunnel visioned, it’s unreal

Somewhat ironic this post bud!

 

[paulrbarnard]

Have you got a link that, Paul? Can't find it.

It might have been from a couple days back. I saw live and breaking on the headline but after posting realised the US was still asleep…

 

[mudman]

What are your thoughts on the previous Trump administration that saw numerous members of his family given high profile jobs. Something that looks likely to happen again, along with random 'celebrities'.

No, I don't think a president should be able to stuff his administration with family members. I'm not sure how it could be stopped though. Maybe a committee that will vet appointments, but who would appoint the committee?

 

[BillHoughton]

It appears that we've got an orange president again. The next four years will be terrifying.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

But not as terrifying as it might have been.

 

[AJB Temple]

Let's wait and see. Trump has said he will stop the wars. The only thing that will stop Israel is curtailing the supply of US money and weapons. Israel had just cause, but has gone crazy and seems intent on a massive regional war if not a global one. Not sure how he can stop Putin, but he may take a pragmatic view that the ex USSR territory of Ukraine is not America's problem, especially if the EU won't fund NATO properly. The Germans will be very edgy right now and we've been looking at the more serious German press today.

The UK is a helpful strategic base for the US armed forces so Starmer may be able to build on that if he has the balls. Unlikely based on past form as he always has one dangling each side of the fence. But you never know.

 

[danst96]

Let's wait and see. Trump has said he will stop the wars. The only thing that will stop Israel is curtailing the supply of US money and weapons. Israel had just cause, but has gone crazy and seems intent on a massive regional war if not a global one. Not sure how he can stop Putin, but he may take a pragmatic view that the ex USSR territory of Ukraine is not America's problem, especially if the EU won't fund NATO properly. The Germans will be very edgy right now and we've been looking at the more serious German press today.

The UK is a helpful strategic base for the US armed forces so Starmer may be able to build on that if he has the balls. Unlikely based on past form as he always has one dangling each side of the fence. But you never know.

I am most interested to see what happens with the middle east. Ukraine i think he will broker a deal which will result in a compromise from one or the other side. Israel though is a much more unpredictable situation in my mind. I can see him helping Israel remove the threat from Iran but how he does that remains to be seen.

 

[niemeyjt]

My prediction:

Ukraine there will be ceasefire along current front lines. Trump will tell the world how wonderful he is to stop the war etc etc

Putin will rearm and regroup. Ukraine will demobilize.

"Special Military Operation" number 2 will then take the rest of Ukraine and bring it back into a greater Russia which is what Putin desires.

The west will get a wave of refugees.

Please don't say Putin will honour a ceasefire this time - he has already ignored two treaties on Ukraine.

 

[RobinBHM]

Ukraine i think he will broker a deal which will result in a compromise from one or the other side.

Putin will tickle Trumps ego and play him like a fiddle

Trump will force Ukraine to surrender loads of land, the way will stop and Putin will then spend a couple of years rebuilding his military and then he will re start the war conquering the rest of Ukraine and expanding into transnistria, Moldova and potentially across Lithuania to join Kaliningrad

Putin is a brutal Imperialist dictator, Trump has zero understanding of geo politics, he will get played

 

[AJB Temple]

Yes, Netanyahu is apparently pleased, but he should not celebrate too soon as Trump likes to be in control. Trump has previously said quite inane things about the Middle East but I agree the picture is complex. One factor to be priced in is oil prices as Trump will be intent on getting US oil moving again. I'm not sure that he cares much about Jewish sensibilities either and certainly dislikes spending money on things that don't obviously benefit US interests. The US will not want to get back into iran / Iraq.