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I take the view that withdrawal from Afghanistan was long overdue as it had been clear for some time to most that there was very little to gain from remaining there. I have made my point about the use of words in a previous post so won't repeat myself and have not suggested that the peace agreement was negotiated by any other administration than the Trump one.

However, the Biden administrations decision to delay the withdrawal in order to withdraw on a date that was purely symbolic rather than tactical, and it also allowed opposing forces more time to organise and was a colossal error of judgement. So to land this as a Trump phuck up because it suits your political position is just glossing over inconvenient facts.

My point isn't that Trump is better, or would have handled things better. My point is, framing this as a Trump administration disaster that a Biden administration can absolve themselves of because it suits your political alliances or personal feelings about an individual is misleading and disingenuous.
I'm not sure I have seen this post, if that reference is from a post



I take the view that withdrawal from Afghanistan was long overdue as it had been clear for some time to most that there was very little to gain from remaining there. I have made my point about the use of words in a previous post so won't repeat myself and have not suggested that the peace agreement was negotiated by any other administration than the Trump one.

However, the Biden administrations decision to delay the withdrawal in order to withdraw on a date that was purely symbolic rather than tactical, and it also allowed opposing forces more time to organise and was a colossal error of judgement. So to land this as a Trump phuck up because it suits your political position is just glossing over inconvenient facts.

My point isn't that Trump is better, or would have handled things better. My point is, framing this as a Trump administration disaster that a Biden administration can absolve themselves of because it suits your political alliances or personal feelings about an individual is misleading and disingenuous.

Third paragraph of post 1017.

I agree the withdrawal was long overdue.
And as such I agree that in principle characterising it as a surrender is by no means justified, but some people do.
My observation was simply that it is odd for people like Tony to blame it entirely on Biden.
Let's apportion the blame fairly.
Trump was the man who signed up to the withdrawal agreement, so anyone who feels that in itself was wrong needs to blame him.
Likewise it was Biden who broke the terms of it and presided over the implementation, so criticism of that can be laid at his door.
I think it is entirely fair to point out that the Trump administration having signed up to the deal, then did nothing to plan how it would actually be done. That lack of planning would have caused Trump just as many problems had he remained in office as it did Biden.
Would he have handled it better? Possibly, but we will never know.
Nothing partisan about it, neither party exactly covered themselves in glory.
 
Third paragraph of post 1017.

Thanks for signposting.

Yes, a somewhat simplistic view on a very complex 20 year occupation, expressed in as equally partizan way as it seems to rile against.

My observation was simply that it is odd for people like Tony to blame it entirely on Biden.
Let's apportion the blame fairly.
Trump was the man who signed up to the withdrawal agreement, so anyone who feels that in itself was wrong needs to blame him.
Likewise it was Biden who broke the terms of it and presided over the implementation, so criticism of that can be laid at his door.

Totally agree, it's equally misleading to represent it as Bidens mess as it is to represent it as Trumps.
 
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