The Philippines disaster

[riclepp]

So you are pleased that a lot of people have died?

Again Jacob, you have only read and interperated what you want to.

Fact:

This planet we live on has a dwindling finite amount of resources.

Humans, abuse and difile this planet (depite all the so called packs governments sign up to)

This planet will die due to human destruction one way or another.

Humans don't care what they do to get their bundles of cash and get one upmanship (in general)

Oceans are now being recorded as becoming more acidic- this has a derogotory effect on all life and aicd water means no water to drink, to water plants and crops in turn means no food and no food means starvation and death to all life.

To be honest Jacob, no I don't really care for them (and this does not imply that I am pleased that many have died as you suggest) , just as they proberly don't care for us. Would they help the UK if the tables were turned??????

As has been pointed out, there are too many people already living on this planet, that is already unstainable to support. Humans can not and will never beat Mother Nature, if it didn't happen in the Philipines it would have happened elsewhere. And before you ask, yes I give to charity, for animals and the RBL. I generaly never give to disaster charities as some of the money always gets lost or the people don't get what they need when they need it. Maybe a harsh outlook, but it is mine and no I don't expect people to go along with my views!

 

[Jacob]

..... Would they help the UK if the tables were turned??????

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I expect they would - it's human nature isn't it? Though, clearly, not everybody knows this!
In fact there are a few people (on this forum) with whom it would probably not be good to share a lifeboat - you'd have to keep an eye on them and perhaps dump them over the side at the first opportunity, for the common good!

 

[cedarwood]

..... Would they help the UK if the tables were turned??????

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I expect they would - it's human nature isn't it? Though, clearly, not everybody knows this!
In fact there are a few people (on this forum) with whom it would probably not be good to share a lifeboat - you'd have to keep an eye on them and perhaps dump them over the side at the first opportunity, for the common good!

oooooo all together now throw jacob over the side he he :lol: :lol:

 

[joethedrummer]

Thought for a while ?
Just received in todays mail a letter from Oxfam suggesting I might send some cash thro" them to the people of the Phillipines who are caught up the typhoon ,,Good as this maybe, there cannot be many people on their circulation list that are not already aware of the situation,, why did they not divert that asset to those stricken ? Thinking perhaps 2 or 3 million letters at the current postage rate equals a lot of clean water ?

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Lots of people's wages depend on the behemoths that are huge charities - I wouldn't waste any time waiting for them to do anything sensible.

 

[joethedrummer]

Lots of people's wages depend on the behemoths that are huge charities - I wouldn't waste any time waiting for them to do anything sensible.

Phil.,,,
It"s too late,,
We have sent some cash to friends in Manilla to "shortcut" the system,, Oh dear ,international currency transfer and all that,,and we don"t care about the wages of those employed by the behemoths,,

 

[Jacob]

A lot of gloomy negative thinking in this thread.
Oxfam is a highly organised and efficient charity and you can be sure that the mail-out has been tested and found cost effective.
Send some money to Oxfam it might make you feel better!

 

[joethedrummer]

A lot of gloomy negative thinking in this thread.
Oxfam is a highly organised and efficient charity and you can be sure that the mail-out has been tested and found cost effective.
Send some money to Oxfam it might make you feel better!

Jacob,
Its too late "cos our contribution has been received in Manilla and will be at the "front" by monday,,we couldn"t feel better thank you

 

[heatherw]

Here is a letter from Yab Seno, the Climate Commisioner for the Phillipìnes. I find it very moving and feel that this man is a loving caring person, not just looking out for his family but for his nation and all of humanity - not qualities that I would attribute to government members closer to home. Not only so, but he appears to have hope for humanity, which is a refreshing point of view nowadays.

I didn't realise until this morning that the strength of this typhoon is attributable to climate change, and that there is a climate change summit in Warsaw at this moment which noone is taking any notice of - it seems that Australia has not even sent a junior minister.

Dear friends,

Last weekend’s Super Typhoon Haiyan made landfall in my family’s hometown. The devastation is so staggering, that I’m struggling to find words to describe how I feel about the losses and damages we have suffered from this.

I spent two days agonizing over the fate of my relatives. But when I finally reached my brother, it filled me with renewed strength and great relief. He survived the onslaught, and for the last few days, he has been helping gather dead bodies. He is hungry and weary as food supplies find it difficult to arrive in the hardest hit areas.

But beyond the colossal humanitarian challenge ahead, we must take the courage to face the truth: the superstorm was not just another natural disaster -- it was made stronger and more deadly by human-caused climate change. For too long, those countries with the greatest capacity to act and greatest responsibility for the problem have shirked their obligations to cut pollution as the science demands. That has locked-in climate change, and could lock-in even worse impacts to come.

So I’ve taken a rare step as a public servant -- I’ve gone beyond the usual conventions to start an Avaaz petition. I’m appealing to Avaaz members to stand in solidarity with the people of the Philippines and all victims of climate change worldwide. Together our voices can push the governments meeting at the UN climate summit happening now to ratchet up pollution controls and help poorer communities with funding.

The question that will determine our survival is: can humanity rise to the occasion? I still believe we can. Sign the petition today, and forward it to everyone, and I will deliver it personally at the talks.

Yeb Sano, Climate Commissioner for the Philippines and the government’s lead negotiator at the the Warsaw climate talks

If anyone would like to sign Yeb's petition the link is here http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Stand_with_the_Philippines/?sFsjXab,

 

[markturner]

..... Would they help the UK if the tables were turned??????

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I expect they would - it's human nature isn't it? Though, clearly, not everybody knows this!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you seriously , really believe that statement Jacob ????????? Really ??? Generally, no one in the 3rd world would give a second thought to our misfortunes............why should they? Unless they had family here...which I imagine a huge number do......but that's a different thread.....

 

[Jacob]

..... Would they help the UK if the tables were turned??????

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I expect they would - it's human nature isn't it? Though, clearly, not everybody knows this!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you seriously , really believe that statement Jacob ????????? Really ??? Generally, o one in the 3rd world would give a second thought to our misfortunes............why should they?

"If the tables were turned" was the expression. A big"if" but yes I do believe it.
You obviously have a dim view of mankind - luckily not shared by all. Do you read the DM or the Telegraph?

 

[riclepp]

It appears Jacob that you are a blind, misguided fool that looks through rose tinted glasses. Most of the world only likes the UK when it gets cash from us, when there is no cash available then they condem and slag us off!!!!!

 

[Phil Pascoe]

He's obviously not a Grauniad reader. What's wrong with criticising the Mail today, then? :lol:

 

[doctor Bob]

It appears Jacob that you are a blind, misguided fool that looks through rose tinted glasses. Most of the world only likes the UK when it gets cash from us, when there is no cash available then they condem and slag us off!!!!!

I think the UK is held in very high esteem overseas. If anything, the people of third world countries are completely misguided about the UK believing it to be full of country gents and lunching ladies.
I've been to Asia and never heard anyone condemn and slag of the UK.

I'd like to think if a natural disaster struck the UK that people would help out. the people of the Philippines were desperately poor before this tragedy, this disaster will affect a generation without our help.

 

[Jacob]

It appears Jacob that you are a blind, misguided fool that looks through rose tinted glasses. Most of the world only likes the UK when it gets cash from us, when there is no cash available then they condem and slag us off!!!!!

It appears riclepp you are probably a Daily Mail reader (or something similar).
It's both a cause and symptom of a gloomy misanthropic view of the world. Symptom in that the victims seek out the bad news (they get some sort of inner satisfaction from it), cause in that the papers confirm it and amplify it - a positive feedback cycle leading to ever deeper misanthropy.
You can step away from it but the cure often isn't easy. Realising that not everybody shares their miserable view of the world is one of the first steps. One step at a time! :lol:

 

[markturner]

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[markturner]

If I read a paper, it would probably be the Telegraph, or the Times, as I am unapologetically more right wing than left wing in my views - well, let me clarify that statement, I am more anti left wing - and I cant stand the constant propaganda you get in most of the press. I don't now, I find it is bad for my blood pressure :lol: and also the wife does not let me, as something generally sets me off........ Seriously, there is so much going on in the world that I find deeply disturbing I would rather not read the slanted reporting of it.

For example: the Guardians pathetic attempts at justifying publishing classified information that has probably saved countless lives in thwarted terrorist attacks as being in the public interest........

The way that during the Iraq & Afghanistan war, every possible negative slant was put on things - that war was lost by the media, way before the politicians squandered the lives of hundreds of our brave troops in pointless "hearts and minds" operations that gained nothing, when the situation could have been better managed from the air. We should be supporting our troops, not hindering them.

The relentless refusal to accept that the slow dilution of our culture by multiculturalism & Islamification of this country is threat to our future and way of life.......

I could go on....

However, I am no bigot, or irrational loony. I just think this country should look after its own before we try looking after the rest of the world, that people who move here should have jobs, speak the language and integrate into our society, and that hard work and enterprise should rewarded in the same way that laziness and fecklessness should not. I have many Muslim and immigrant friends and workers, not to mention black and also gay friends. So not your stereotypical right winger. However, i think we should ask the question, at which percentage of immigration should we say enough? When 30% of this country is Muslim or black or asian? 50%? 70%? 90% ? Then we wont be England anymore and that's wrong....

So, I listen to Radio 4 for my news and current affairs. That annoys me as well on occasion, but generally not as much.....

 

[Jacob]

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The relentless refusal to accept that the slow dilution of our culture by multiculturalism & Islamification of this country is threat to our future and way of life.......

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However, I am no bigot, ...........

Hmm.
Reminds me of the often heard expression "I am not a racist, but.....(don't like dark skinned people etc. etc.)"
What is a bigot, in your view? :lol:

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Bigot? I've just looked it up. "Someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred or intolerance" - Fits you perfectly, Jacob. :lol:

 

[markturner]

I would say" a person who is irrationally prejudiced against anothers creed, sexual orientation or politics, usually on the basis of ignorance or unfounded ideas"


However, let me also say, I could not care less what anyone else thinks of my opinions views etc....... I know I am a decent human being, and that's all that is important. So, if you want to think of me as a bigot, because it suits your world view, knock yourself out.........thats another thing that annoys me - anyone who is even slightly opposed to mass immigration or worried about the rise of Islam is automatically a racist & bigot....

If I was a bigot, would I have loads of gay friends? Would I have several black friends? Would I employ Muslims & immigrants? Would I live in central London?

Controlled immigration is good, so is a bit of multiculturalism, its great for our culture...but its all gone too far and its too late to shut the door now.