engineer one":139rot98 said:
well obviously we all watched it from a different viewpoint, but with my experience of the way in which band wagons get going. i thought the programme was pretty fair and more objective than those who promote the global warming story.
Fair the programme wasn't. It was unadulterated politicised propaganda that presented a single viewpoint without debate or challenge. Rather like Al Gore's film (which unlike this one I haven't bothered to watch as I've better things to do than listen to what Al Gore has to say about anything) this was a piece of film designed to preach to the already converted. One tends to trust and agree with things that reinforce our point of view.
Animal rights protesters are irrelevant to the discussion. There are muppets with stupid arguments on both sides of the fence.
the interesting thought from the end is that much of the anti global warming thought process wishes to keep the poor in the gutter. i wondered how many of the global warming promoters have considered that their efforts will in fact keep millions in poverty rather than help them out of it.
If it were so simple. For example I am more than happy for developing nations in Africa and the Middle East to develop nuclear programmes. The film conveniently forgot to mention that Africa was rich in natural resources of uranium. But then the film was a politically charged attempt to make an argument based on the notion that you can't trust what the lefties say; which might be a fair standpoint, but it doesn't make the righties any better.
Batteries are indeed a technological stumbling block to mass uptake of renewable energy.
Paul,
Certainly this is not the exact reverse of what the global warming doom-mongers have been saying. The Sun is the biggest influence on planet earth full stop. Cycles in solar activity are well known and well documented, but do not match long term trends in climate change. If it were the case the climate would be much more erratic than it is. What was interesting was the charge that the nature of the link between CO2 and Temperature wasn't causal, but symptomatic. Unfortunately the programme fluffed over this without exploring the ideas with any depth.
It's never been debated that the bulk of CO2 in the system is naturally occurring. It's not the quantity of CO2 that is the cornerstone of the argument 'for' man made climate change, rather the increase in CO2 that comes from burning fossil fuels and the effect that this may have on the climate.
One can certainly look at previous extremes in climate and notice catastrophic effects on people. It's nice and comfy in the UK and in the short term we may have more grapes, but if you're living next door to a desert things probably aren't looking so rosy.
For me politicising climate change does nothing to further the debate, it's not about political allegiance. This film was no different in that respect and disappointed. Perhaps if it had a narrower remit and concentrated on elements of the science, or for that matter had stuck to criticising the left's enthusiasm for climate change it might have got somewhere; but this was a film made by people less interested in debate than with scoring political points against the BBC and lefties everywhere.
