The Eagle Has Landed!

[SeanG]

Look really nice Wizer, I hope you didn't hurt your little Smart car's feelings when you called it a skip :shock:

:mrgreen:

 

[wizer]

'tis a skip, I just did a 2hr round trip in it and bits where flying off left right and centre. I should be charged landfil tax...

 

[dickm]

...after I filled the skip up with all the packaging....

Hope your Mercedes agent doesn't see that comment! Or they might charge you landfill tax when you next take the Smart in for servicing.

 

[p111dom]

Dom,
Why? If the table is right forward then so is the operator, surely? It looks fine where it is to me, unless I'm missing something.
S

Sorry by right forward I mean towards the front.

To leave the switch on the left means you either have to stand infront of the blade to turn it on reaching in from the side or have a 600mm reach under the sliding table. Neither is desirable IMO. You could turn the saw on and then pull the table back, insert the material to be cut but I don't think this is best practice and if you need to turn the saw off in a hurry it's too difficult.

I origionally had the switch in this position as it's always picture like this in the mags but you get sick of adopting this pose pretty quickly when crosscutting.

Putting the switch in the middle is the best for positioning but...

it gets in the way of the rise and fall handle.

I've tried all positions and this I've found is not the most comfortable but is the best option. You quickly get used to it here.

You've lost me there, to the front of what?

With regards to the fence I mean this. You have it mounted on the cental holes like so.

Max cut is 450mm or so.

Mount it right at the front like this.

The max cut is now in excess of 600mm.

 

[Tusses]

ah - the sliding table - never had one, so I will agree, the switch seems better on the right. maybe wire in a foot switch in series ?

 

[Steve Maskery]

Dom
Thanks for the pics, I see your point now.

However...

Having the switch in the right means that, if you are standing to the left (as you should be) you have to reach across the saw to switch off. You are holding one piece of wood past the blade, you have another unsupported that you have just cut, and you have to lean across the line of the blade. Not good.

I'd prefer to get the blade going first, then get your board in place, then you can switch off easily at the end without leaning anywhere.

I guess it's a compromise between different risks.
S

 

[p111dom]

ah - the sliding table - never had one, so I will agree, the switch seems better on the right. maybe wire in a foot switch in series ?

That's a good idea actually especially to use as an emergency stop. The sliding positioning switch seems like a good idea to begin with but you soon realise that it's more of a characteristic of the way it's mounted rather than an intended design. It's a shame really as it goes down as something that doesn't work very well which makes it a negative. It would be better for Jet not to say anything about it when advertising and leave it up to the individual to find the best place.

 

[p111dom]

Dom
Thanks for the pics, I see your point now.

However...

Having the switch in the right means that, if you are standing to the left (as you should be) you have to reach across the saw to switch off. You are holding one piece of wood past the blade, you have another unsupported that you have just cut, and you have to lean across the line of the blade. Not good.

I'd prefer to get the blade going first, then get your board in place, then you can switch off easily at the end without leaning anywhere.

I guess it's a compromise between different risks.
S

You right both are bad but to cut a 600mm with board it only just fits. Theres only 20mm or so to play with and you have to hook the board under the crown guard before you clamp it down. I definately wouldn't want to do this while the blade is spinning. If the crosscut work is clamped which it always is I see no danger in reaching over. Also imagine that you are cutting just a sliver off using the sliding table. The off cut catches the blade and gets jamed in the insert. You want to turn if off straight away but have no easy access to the switch on the left. Not good. I think Tusses suggestion of the foot switch is the best idea and I'll certainly consider it. I would rather reach across than have to squat down so my face is at table height to turn it off.

Any way when you're ripping you're either standing to the left but are reaching over to push the material with a push stick or for bigger pieces are standing on the right pushing the piece through. With the switch on the left the same issues would be there just not with the crosscutting and vice versa. I aslo tend to turn the switch off with the push stick as it's in my hand at the time. Because it can be a reach I sometimes place the push stick on top of the cross cut material and still use the stick to turn the machine off even when crosscutting. That's another reason why the foot switch sounds good.

 

[Steve Maskery]

Yes, I think a foot switch wold be the best option in that case, too.

I don't have a sliding table, nor space for one so it's not my problem!
S

 

[Tusses]

yes - I meant a stop switch. all you have to do is interrupt the live (push to brake switch) and the NVR cuts out.

I've even heard of an off switch being suspended over the saw for the roof/ceiling so its to hand should you need it.

 

[p111dom]

Yes, I think a foot switch wold be the best option in that case, too.

I don't have a sliding table, nor space for one so it's not my problem!
S

Just out of curiosity though Steve, assuming you're right handed when you're ripping do you stand to the left or the right of the blade?

 

[Grinding One]

How is that going to fit in the garage??

Come Come my colonial cousin, garages are not for cars!

If I asked My Wife to get out in the Rain or Snow whilst we had a Garage,I would be sleeping in my truck.

That is why I have a shop to put the toys in....Thank God...
Sorry about your losing 1/4 of the value of your car tho....nothing worst then a person doing damage to others property and not reimbursing them.
Oh you might want to vacumm up that sawdust before it gets into your eyes,just one little breeze and your done for

 

[DaveL]

I have a stop switch wired into the NVR on my Wadkin. It just breaks the feed for the holding coil. It is on the floor in front of the machine so I can stop the saw without letting go of the work and wait for the blade to stop before moving it.
I used the non locking version of this:

from Toolstation, just over half way down here, ~£9.50.

There is no reason why you could not have another over the saw, just needs to be wired in series with the first one.

 

[wizer]

Thanks Dom that's very clear. I guess the word fence was confusing me. I actually saw in the manual last night that we'd put the mitre guage on too far forward. I wonder why they have given you 2 mounting points?

I have just been setting the saw up and I'm impressed that only the slightest tweaks were needed!

I will try the switch over there. I'm used to the Triton which had a large off switch which I got in the habit of hitting with my knee at the end of the cut. I'd deffinately like to look into either a foot stop or a knee stop. If/when the saw eventually gets a permenent home, it might be nice to run the start stop off the saw and onto a wall, along with the switch for the extractor.

I guess the other option is to have both saw and extractor through a remote control system. That way the switch is always where I want it.

 

[Steve Maskery]

Just out of curiosity though Steve, assuming you're right handed when you're ripping do you stand to the left or the right of the blade?

I stand to the left. Yes, my right arm isto the right of the blade, but the fence is on the right, and if were to staqnd to the right and use my left hand, I wouldn't be able to see so well. It's another compromise, isn't it?

When using my Ultimate Tablesaw Tenon Jig, however, the jig is on the right and so am I.
S

 

[christoph clark]

When I saw the title I thought you would be talking about this man.. LOL

 

[p111dom]

Just out of curiosity though Steve, assuming you're right handed when you're ripping do you stand to the left or the right of the blade?

I stand to the left. Yes, my right arm isto the right of the blade, but the fence is on the right, and if were to staqnd to the right and use my left hand, I wouldn't be able to see so well. It's another compromise, isn't it?

When using my Ultimate Tablesaw Tenon Jig, however, the jig is on the right and so am I.
S

Thats ok just wanted to check I wasn`t doing something different to everyone else.

 

[OPJ]

You should never stand in the saw's "line of fire" anyway, to the left of the blade is always best - that way, if something gets picked up by the blade it's more likely to sail past you and not end up between your legs!! :? :wink:

I agree with Dom's initial point on the position of the switch to the left of the saw, under the sliding table. We've got a larger panel saw at college and there's a similar problem when you need to crosscut sheet material. If you do reposition it, the higher up you can keep it the better. Not only will this save your back, Tom :wink: but, I don't know about you, I'd rather take a 'bullet' to the chest than square between the eyes, should an accident occur.

 

[maltrout512]

Looks good and I am sure you will get great results. I managed to shoe horn an aw12bsb2 into my workshop.

The sliding table does take some time to set up regardless on what system is used. Enjoy.

 

[wizer]

I fitted the rear extension table today:

But I hated it, it just got in the way and I couldn't get on with it. So it came straight off.

Not before I took this pic:

So that's it. I played with it further today, made some test boards for the leigh jig plus a mounting board. The saw perfomed well and I am happy as Larry. I need to get used to using a sliding table, I wish the mitre guide had some sort of quick release feature. Found myself walking to the SCMS and then remembering I could use the TS.

All the workshop upgrades I was set to do before the saw arrived, didn't get done. Mainly due to not having any help, my Dad's been busy with his businesses. So I won't get a new floor 'til next spring. Tho, I will be getting a radiator put in before the evil winter settles in.

All I need now... is a BIGGER WORKSHOP! :lol: