Stagerred crossroads...

[Shultzy]

where possible you look at the driver and you look at where the car's wheels are facing before you do anything!
Roy.

Which is why is said "with car angled to the right with wheels turned right" and why I ride this bike .

 

[Digit]

Nice bike!

Roy.

 

[kityuser]

I`d never ride a bike these days, too many cars on the road!

I remember back to my uni years when I used to work at a local saw mill during holidays/weekends.
All the guys were bikers and I can still remember some of the grusome pictures that used to be printed in the "my injury is better that yours" pages of the biker mags.

One that sticks in my mind was a photo from a copper...... just a solitary boot complete with foot and ankle stood up in the middle of a country lane.
Makes me shiver just thinking about it.

drive/ride safe everyone.

Steve

 

[Racers]

Hi,

Accidents involving a car and bike its the car drivers fault in more than 80% of cases.
A certain number of young people weed them selves out of the gene pool every year, but the car drivers can take more people with them which is very unfortunate. Maybe curfews and a limited number of passengers might help.

Pete

 

[lurker]

I'm a BMW driver but I believe a courteous one - I even use my indicators. :shock:
And have been known to give way :shock: :shock: :shock:

I try to be on the alert for bikers and always let them "go though" when the traffic is heavy.
I even "think bike" at road junctions

In my experience a biker dressed all in black is usually driving like a bit of a tw*T and quite honestly I often think myself " well you will soon be dead mate!"
This is always worse at weekend when you get the "male menoplause" ones on the road.

I have had a few " where the F*** did he come from?" moments.

Surely you bikers who also drive cars are aware how bikes merge into the background? its worse when its dark enough for lights and there is a car someway behind the bike

 

[Digit]

Having driven and ridden for 40 years Lurk I agree with your comments. As regards dark clothing etc I was the first person I know to ride with my lights on, people you wave me down to tell me that my lights were on it was so unusual at that time, now it's the norm and undoubtedly makes bikes more visible.
The latest idea from Brussels that all vehicles must have lights on during the day though is questionable.

Roy.

 

[andrewm]

'A'

but as has been mentioned - no point indicating if no one is around to see ! (learned on my advanced motor bike training)

I find that interesting because surely the driver (or perhaps cyclist without lights) that you most want to inform of your intentions is the one that you haven't seen and therefore the one that you re not taking account of when deciding on your manoeuvre.

Andrew

 

[woodbloke]

Digit wrote:

The latest idea from Brussels that all vehicles must have lights on during the day though is questionable.

Haven't Volvos has side lights on in daylight for many years now?..might be wrong though - Rob

 

[Digit]

They have indeed, it is mandatory in their country of origin. In the States bikes have twin filament bulbs in the orange indicators to show bikes up. But personally I have never had any trouble seeing a Volvo with or without lights.

Roy.

 

[Smudger]

You can switch the running lights off on some models, but it's a pain. I leave my lights on all the time. I still got hit last week...

 

[Chems]

As probably one of the youngest members on here, Im fairly recently out of the new driving tests (4 Years) and IRRC you shouldnt indicate at all if your going across, sort of depends on the amount of distance between because in your picture its hard to tell, if I was able to drive diagonally from one to the other I wouldnt signal but if there was a bit of a stretch inbetween, say 20-50 meters I would signal right then left.

 

[woody67]

if I was able to drive diagonally from one to the other I wouldnt signal but if there was a bit of a stretch inbetween, say 20-50 meters I would signal right then left.

Chems - the "stagger" is probably less than 5 meters, so you're saying no signal at all - that's put a spanner in the works!! :shock:

Mark

 

[katellwood]

Screw Loose, What did you get a 1 or a 2

 

[Chems]

Less than 5meters definatly no signal at all, you should treat it as a normal cross roads.

The question you really want to ask is, your at a cross roads and there is a car on the other side, who has right of way? I had that in my theory test I know you lot didnt have one of those, the right answer was neither party does.

Defiantly no signal at all for this if your basically driving straight across.

 

[Nigel]

I'm with Lurker on this as I also drive a BMW and for many years a biker
and had my share of morons pulling out in front of me,
My wife asked me to give up the bike for work as the law of averages suggested I would be paying a visit to A&E that was not my fault,

I consider myself bike aware and will always pull to one side when a biker is traveling between lanes to make progress in heavy traffic some will acknowledge this but others are arrogant idiots so generalizations are hard on both sides,

Cheers Nigel

 

[Screw Loose]

Screw Loose, What did you get a 1 or a 2

:wink:

 

[mr]

Any intention to deviate from a straight line should surely be indicated even if it doesn't mean that that vehicle leaves the lane it is in currently, which suggests that unless the junction is exactly opposite and requires no deviation the right and then left turn should be indicated. Surely. Least that's what I do most days when taking the other half to her office.

Cheers Mike

 

[Digit]

I work on the basis that my signals are to convey information to pedestrians and other road users and ask myself which is the least ambiguous.
Locally, I don't know about elsewhere, some drivers will insist on indicating right when overtaking parked vehicles.
When this is performed near to a RH junction confusion as to the driver's intentions is occasioned, and IMO is thoroughly bad practice.

Roy.

 

[mr]

I work on the basis that my signals are to convey information to pedestrians and other road users and ask myself which is the least ambiguous.
Locally, I don't know about elsewhere, some drivers will insist on indicating right when overtaking parked vehicles.
When this is performed near to a RH junction confusion as to the driver's intentions is occasioned, and IMO is thoroughly bad practice.

Roy.

There should be no confusion caused - an indicator signal is only an indication of intent to change course in the road. Whether passing an obstruction or turning right is immaterial. The point is deviation form current course rather than intention to turn specifically.

Cheers Mike

 

[Digit]

Strangely Mike I credit the other drivers with sufficient intelligence for me to assume that have no deliberate intent of running into a stationary vehical and therefore I am not in need of a signal telling that that is so. Especially when they are approaching a RH junction.

Roy.