"It doesn't need to be banned outright. IMO cars need a limiter set at say 80mph that needs to be manually turned off by the driver if they wish to exceed that. If you want to turn it off when you drive to Germany fine, but then it is entirely on you if you decide to turn it off so you can drive at 90mph on UK motorways. If you have an accident that speed is a factor and you have turned it off then penalties should be even higher. That is then your personal choice and responsibility.
Even Germany has speed limits on 30% of the autobahn and additional variable limits on more. How many times do UK drivers actually drive to Germany though? I would guess very infrequently.
If 100 bikes were doing 70mph the woman would still be in the wrong.
There used to be regular moans in the Telegraph motoring supplement (which used to be excellent) from people upset at being undertaken on motorways, the answer was always the same - if you were undertaken, you were in the wrong lane.
It's not about freedom, mate. It's about collective responsiblilty; something that seems to have faded a bit and now needs a little help from the authorities.You guys collectively appear to be big brother. Freedoms are hard come by and once surrendered even harder to recover.
I suppose it could be argued that although driving illegally, the intention was not to murder anyone. Those types wouldn't see life that deeply.Who’s freedom? I want my grandchildren to live to become adults without someone with small dick syndrome ‘accidentally’ killing them.
Just adding to offset my frustration reply above. I am so weary of the vehicular man slaughter findings in cases where someone in a vehicle kills a vulnerable road user. If ISA is mandatory and over ridden by the driver they are taking full responsibility so should then be charged with murder as they have pre meditated to remove the safety measures designed to protect others. I get frustrated in the extreme with the notion that people should be free to place others at risk.
That's nice, but what's the reasoning about driving at those speeds...anywhere other than a race track?my standard car legally purchased in the UK will top 170mph yes not legal in the uk but I can drive to Germany wear it is so why ban it?
Prompted by this thread I looked at theavailable settings on our car - it already gives a warning if the speed limit is exceeded - an this setting is already there."
A new European Union Mandate is set to come into force from Sunday July 7th 2024, which means that all new vehicles sold will require a speed limiter.
Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain."
and, because we often read comments that it is 'sometimes necessary to go above the speed limit', speed limiters do allow you to do that:
"But a driver can still press hard on the accelerator to override it momentarily, for instance to negotiate a hazard in the road ahead."
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/#:~:text=A new European Union Mandate,the introduction of the technology.
The only draw back in our car, Volvo, is that it reduces the volume of the radio while it does the warning beep. I find that very frustrating as a passenger and it often leads to ‘discussion’ with my wife if I miss an important bit due to her insatiable need for speed.Prompted by this thread I looked at theavailable settings on our car - it already gives a warning if the speed limit is exceeded - an this setting is already there.
I switched it on and two days later I’ve not noticed any adverse impact from my civil liberties being infringed.
I don’t get why people get so hot under the collar about this - obviously though being a BMW driver if they try and infringe my right to change lane without a signal or park across two parking bays I’ll be marching on parliament …
I’d suggest introducing a “Personal Development Plan” so you wife can address this shortcoming.The only draw back in our car, Volvo, is that is reduced the volume of the radio while it does the warning beep. I find that very frustrating as a passenger and it often leads to ‘discussion’ with my wife if I miss an important bit due to her insatiable need for speed.
I have a 'speed limiter' warning in my car (Mazda), but it's effectively useless as you need to set it yourself for a single speed. Google maps sometimes gives the wrong limit and can be slow to update.I looked at theavailable settings on our car - it already gives a warning if the speed limit is exceeded
Wrap them in cotton wool and heaven forbid let them out in the garden to eat worms.
You guys collectively appear to be big brother. Freedoms are hard come by and once surrendered even harder to recover.
Exactly so.Who’s freedom? I want my grandchildren to live to become adults without someone with small dick syndrome ‘accidentally’ killing them.
I get frustrated in the extreme with the notion that people should be free to place others at risk.
The warning system (which I assume is the same decision maker for the speed limiter) is accurate in my car. It picks up temporary limits and I think is better than just relying on driver concentration even if not perfect.I have a 'speed limiter' warning in my car (Mazda), but it's effectively useless as you need to set it yourself for a single speed. Google maps sometimes gives the wrong limit and can be slow to update.
The idea of a speed limiter is good, but how it can be reliably implemented is a nightmare. I'm sure we've all seen overhead signs on motorways that bear no relation to actual conditions, haven't been cancelled or are in the wrong area.
How does it do that ? reliably ?It picks up temporary limits and I think is better than just relying on driver concentration even if not perfect.
I’ve attached screenshots from the user manual. It’s arguably more reliable than driver concentration alone.How does it do that ? reliably ?
So that only works if roads signs are clear, always visible, complete and correct.
Opens up the possibility of people putting up their own signs and messing that system up or being stuck at the wrong speed if the camera misses one.
I've seen that quite a few times, even home made Gatso copies.Not sure what would motivate anyone to start putting up their own road signs.
I think this goes back to actually determining what is being implemented/proposed.I've seen that quite a few times, even home made Gatso copies.
Just imagine if that technology was widely adopted and made mandatory, how much fun protestors could have draping 20mph signs on motorway over bridges/gantries.
Static(ie not online) GPS systems need updating and that's sometimes stupidly expensive (£200+ for my Mazda <yeah right>) and aren't always correct anyway or only updated every year or more, so can be significantly out of date.A system that alerts the driver that they are going over the speed limit but doesn't do anything more is quite simple and has been working for a decade on the GPS systems. We have a Tomtom satnav that will indicate that I'm over, first with an orange colour if it's a few mph over then changing to red if its significantly over. Seems to work well without too much problem, it doesn't update for things like roadworks or variable speed limits (I think it can if i tethered it) but that is what I am there for as the driver.
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