Spear & Jackson's "Spearior 52"?

[woodbrains]

Moralising again!
*** and woodwork don't mix. Why don't you just stick to lecturing us on the "correct" way to use a scrub plane etc. :lol:
Should there be a punishment tariff for woodworking misdemeanours perhaps? That should keep you going. Could be a sticky: "Woodbrain's Corrections Corner"

Jacob, are you still trying to score points from the depths of the contemptible pit you have dug for yourself. For a start, YOU initially ridiculed Gill for wearing funny clothes, yet you seem to have some sort of beef with me, for pointing out that his incestuous relationship with his sisters and his raping and molestation of his own daughters, would be the bigger of his failings. I would pity anyone who did not make a moral judgement on this; but the other fact you are overlooking is, this behaviour is illegal and demands long prison sentences. These are not just the eccentric quirks of a talented man, but something much more sinister. I can still (just) separate the mans failings from his art, art which I think is historically important, but I still have opinions on his criminality. If I was moralising about Gill, I might have spoke of his extra marital affairs, or his profane religious prints, but I did not, these are his own business, and the business of consenting adults. His sick sexual behaviour towards his offspring and siblings is another matter, and I think you should reconsider your comment about them not complaining and had it really happened. Incidentally, Gill was a diarist, which is one source the biographers gleaned the information. The evidence is by his own hand.

Mike.

 

[Jacob]

.....The evidence is by his own hand.

Mike.

Well exactly. Who knows what the truth was?

How do you feel about Wagner, who was deeply anti-semitic and hence contributed to the death of 6million jews and others?

 

[Cheshirechappie]

.....The evidence is by his own hand.

Mike.

Well exactly. Who knows what the truth was?

How do you feel about Wagner, who was deeply anti-semitic and hence contributed to the death of 6million jews and others?

Wagner died in the 1880s, so his personal contribution to the Holocaust was, to put it mildly, minimal; he can hardly be blamed if a psychopathic dictator liked his music 50 years after his death. It is also known that throughout his life, Wagner had many Jewish friends and aquaintances; whether the antisemitic sentiments of his later life were any worse than general German public opinion of the 1870s and 1880s seems to depend on who is interpreting his words and writings, and what political leanings the interpreter is trying to support or justify. Who knows what the truth was?

Perhaps more to the point, did either Gill or Wagner ever own or use a Spear and Jackson 14" tenon saw, and if so, what was their assessment of it?

 

[G S Haydon]

"Perhaps more to the point, did either Gill or Wagner ever own or use a Spear and Jackson 14" tenon saw, and if so, what was their assessment of it?" :lol:

 

[woodbrains]

.....The evidence is by his own hand.

Mike.

Well exactly. Who knows what the truth was?

How do you feel about Wagner, who was deeply anti-semitic and hence contributed to the death of 6million jews and others?

Wagner died in the 1880s, so his personal contribution to the Holocaust was, to put it mildly, minimal; he can hardly be blamed if a psychopathic dictator liked his music 50 years after his death. It is also known that throughout his life, Wagner had many Jewish friends and aquaintances; whether the antisemitic sentiments of his later life were any worse than general German public opinion of the 1870s and 1880s seems to depend on who is interpreting his words and writings, and what political leanings the interpreter is trying to support or justify. Who knows what the truth was?

Perhaps more to the point, did either Gill or Wagner ever own or use a Spear and Jackson 14" tenon saw, and if so, what was their assessment of it?

Hello,

Nicely done Cheshirechappie!

Tenon saw came today, looks rather good. Flat plate, heavy brass back. Looks like the seller sharpened it or else was sharpened recently by the original user. Well done, in fact, though I was looking forward to sharpening it myself. Still, I'll give the handle a strip down and oil, should be a good saw.

Mike.

 

[Jacob]

....
Jacob, are you still trying to score points from the depths of the contemptible pit you have dug for yourself. For a start, YOU initially ridiculed Gill for wearing funny clothes, yet you seem to have some sort of beef with me, for pointing out that his incestuous relationship with his sisters and his raping and molestation of his own daughters, would be the bigger of his failings. I would pity anyone who did not make a moral judgement on this; but the other fact you are overlooking is, this behaviour is illegal and demands long prison sentences. These are not just the eccentric quirks of a talented man, but something much more sinister. I can still (just) separate the mans failings from his art, art which I think is historically important, but I still have opinions on his criminality. If I was moralising about Gill, I might have spoke of his extra marital affairs, or his profane religious prints, but I did not, these are his own business, and the business of consenting adults. His sick sexual behaviour towards his offspring and siblings is another matter, and I think you should reconsider your comment about them not complaining and had it really happened. Incidentally, Gill was a diarist, which is one source the biographers gleaned the information. The evidence is by his own hand.

Mike.

I would add - I started by criticising Gill for his quasi religious craft nonsense - you leapt in to defend him - then changed your mind and started going on about his perversions.
In point of fact I see his perversions as part of his moralising quasi-religion - self righteousness often being an excuse for all sorts of unpleasant things particularly where religion is concerned, as we all know.
You have completely missed the point of what I was saying and gone off on an irrelevant rant of your own.

Moralising about the supposed misuse of a rusty old saw could be the thin end of a wedge!

 

[bugbear]

Many years/generations of work on oak and the like I would assume. No chance of a reflection. Just so I can be shot down in flames I think old saws are hard to shine because of the steel used? Always ends up greyish rather than mirror?

I think that's just corrosion. Whilst attempting to identify the mystery Tyzack saw, I (obviously) looked through the saw sections of a few old catalogues. Makers included Tyzack, Disston, Ward, Spear and Jackson.

Many (say 75%) of the handsaws included "polished" (or even "mirror polished", for the premium models) in their descriptions.

So it seems to have been a normal and desirable property of a saw.

BugBear

 

[G S Haydon]

You say "corrosion" I say "patina". Just to add some context the saws were/are used by a joiner, wheelwright, carpenter etc. I found while planning oak the polished front edge of my chip breaker has the same black developing, tannin stain is what I would loosely call it. It takes quite a polish to remove it and it's far from a, rusty, pitted type of corrosion. Just a wipe with an oily rag does not shift it. Ditto the saws, smooth, dark with no rust but plenty of "patina", still working perfectly on joinery

 

[Jacob]

..
Many (say 75%) of the handsaws included "polished" (or even "mirror polished", for the premium models) in their descriptions.

So it seems to have been a normal and desirable property of a saw.

BugBear

No doubt, but not the same as "necessary" or "useful". In the same way, matt black paint, brass knobs and bubinga help sell american novelty planes.