Sharpening amongst other things
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Jacob
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Excellent film!
There used to be a similar hand cranked wheel in every farmyard a few years back. In fact you still see them lying around, unused etc.
Basically for bigger sharp edge tools - scythes, sickles and others. Smaller stuff freehand on flat oil stones.
Sharpening was easy, before it was reinvented by the usual suspects!
There used to be a similar hand cranked wheel in every farmyard a few years back. In fact you still see them lying around, unused etc.
Basically for bigger sharp edge tools - scythes, sickles and others. Smaller stuff freehand on flat oil stones.
Sharpening was easy, before it was reinvented by the usual suspects!
pgrbff
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There are still many similar wheels around where I live. Some are probably still used. I swapped mine for Japanese water stones.
Jacob
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Stropping done with a strop, not a grind wheel. There's a clue in the name.
Either way it's still "sharpening".
It looks to me like they have a piece of leather glued to the wheel. I might be wrong.
It must work for them if they are doing this way, and there's nothing wrong about it, but I'd like to see 'em take a 0.2mm cut off something dense, like bubinga or ebony with that blade
"Sharpening" comes down to shaping the blade, putting a micro bevel on it (optional) and stropping the dickens out of it.
Stropping is not optional, but many folks treat it as if it is. Hence the whole cottage industry of all-in-one tormeks and the likes.
Shaping is almost never required unless you chipped the blade.
Sharpening/micro-bevelling is needed now & again.
For the rest of the time, stop'n'strop folks, stop'n'strop.
I'll shut up now.
It must work for them if they are doing this way, and there's nothing wrong about it, but I'd like to see 'em take a 0.2mm cut off something dense, like bubinga or ebony with that blade
"Sharpening" comes down to shaping the blade, putting a micro bevel on it (optional) and stropping the dickens out of it.
Stropping is not optional, but many folks treat it as if it is. Hence the whole cottage industry of all-in-one tormeks and the likes.
Shaping is almost never required unless you chipped the blade.
Sharpening/micro-bevelling is needed now & again.
For the rest of the time, stop'n'strop folks, stop'n'strop.
I'll shut up now.
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Jacob
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They not working with bubinga or ebonyIt looks to me like they have a piece of leather glued to the wheel. I might be wrong.
It must work for them if they are doing this way, and there's nothing wrong about it, but I'd like to see 'em take a 0.2mm cut off something dense, like bubinga or ebony with that blade
It's the damp patches where they splashed on some water
That's modern sharpening for you! "Micro bevel" is a recent key term in modern sharpening - good to know they are optional! Stropping is too, depending on the job in hand.
Traditionally, afaik, the micro bevel is put on the chisel blade freehand, which results in a slightly "rounded" shape. It's still a micro bevel, even if the act of putting it onto a blade is not made into a cult.
Cozzer
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Skill on show.
Bet the bloke could do it all with his eyes closed...
Love the nod towards health & safety at about 11:10 in!
Jacob
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The expression "micro bevel" is a new one used by modern sharpeners.
Trad theory never went much beyond the advice to beginners to grind at 25º and hone at 30º.
Then once they got it they could go their own way.
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Orraloon
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Sharpening on woodwork forums has been done to death and I really dont care if I ever see another sharpening video. You should have watched this video however as it showed a real craftsman at work coopering. Always good to see skilled people work. Sharpening to him is just something you need to do to get the job done.
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John
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John
John Brown
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Fascinating video. Someone posted another video of olden days coopers in France a year or so back. Impressive skills and very impressive work rate.
I don’t have room for a sharpening jig, I have a bench grinder white a white grind wheel
Dad to day I have three cheep diamond plastic honing things to keep the tools sharp
I keep the oil stones for my carpenters tools
Dad to day I have three cheep diamond plastic honing things to keep the tools sharp
I keep the oil stones for my carpenters tools
Good to see some stropping about sharpening
Cabinetman
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What I found interesting was how he could tell by the sound which staves had dried out enough, they clinked.
Oh for one tenth of that skill, ( but all of his dinner....)
johnnyb
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Any one can experience the validity of the sound dry wood makes when they have a log delivery. It's a bit like the noise bowls make sort of resonant. I guess it's not as accurate as a protimeter!
On the topic of sharpening, if anyone is new to sharpening saws, my husband who has gone deep into the topic due to his neurodiversity, wrote a series of articles about it here:
https://jakobssawrevival.co.uk/learn-to-sharpen/
I've been trying to persuade him to make some YouTube videos of what he does. Would that be a useful resource? He has learned all he knows from various craftsmen but never found one place with all the information together.
https://jakobssawrevival.co.uk/learn-to-sharpen/
I've been trying to persuade him to make some YouTube videos of what he does. Would that be a useful resource? He has learned all he knows from various craftsmen but never found one place with all the information together.
Jacob
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I tend to prefer text and images. Much quicker than watching a slow video with boring introduction and boring music!
I suppose you could slot in a brief video if really necessary to explain a point - e.g if you watch an experienced saw sharpener they'll whip along one side full length without stopping, then turn it and do the other, really fast, regular movement, maybe five minutes or less. No amateurish fiddling about and examining each gullet and tooth one by one!
Just wondering Jacob, do you use a guide for saw sharpening?
I have a small block of wood with an angled hole in it that goes on the end of the file. I line this up parallel to the saw blade. This helps me stay consistent on my fleam.
