Putin is a loser

[Jacob]

So in effect what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with you or has a different perspective on a subject to your own is delusional in your eyes?

Not everybody. Telegraph and Daily Mail readers usually are - that's where the rot sets in.

 

[RobinBHM]

No, what happened was that we in the West helped overthrow the democratically elected government

WRONG

The 2014 Maidan was a result of the then Putin puppet president Yanukovych reneging on the democratically agreed deal with EU and instrad went to his pal Putin for a deal

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/understanding-ukraines-euromaidan-protests

d Reich connections to their grandparents' SS membership

Ah yes the “Ukrainian Nazis”
You are repeating Pure Putin propaganda

sure Ukraine has an issue with the neo Nazi movement, but its just Russian propaganda to claim it has anything to do with Donbas troubles

In fact Azov were engaged in fighting against Wagern and defending Ukraianians in the regino

Ethnic Russians in the Donbas region objected to being treated as Untermench

More Russian propaganda

being forced into buildings and set on fire, etc,

Please go and read what really happened in Odessa instead of posting lies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27275383

Most Ukrainians have Russian family. This is a civil war between cousins. This is an entirely synthetic, artificial conflict, created by the usual suspects for the usual reason - must destabilise Russia, and way we can.

More Russian propaganda

The troubles in Donbas started because Putin sent in Wagner to annexe Donbas. And he funded and armed Russian backer separatists

Yes, the people of the Crimea really, really did want to be Russian. The had a referendum and declared independence from the the USSR, initially as part 9f the Ukraine but then they wanted their independence.

WRONG

the 2014 referendum only gave 2 false choice, there was no option for the status quo

and as the refworld.org link details

good grief you have linked to an article referring to a guy name "Gary Brecher" a pseudonym used by John Dolan when he wrote in the Exile a Moscow based satirical newspaper

the reality is Crimeans did not want to be Russian:


"My research shows that it is likely that Crimea was not passportised by Russia prior to annexation because Crimea’s residents viewed Russian citizenship as inaccessible, undesirable, illegitimate, and illegal.

Only the minority in pro-Russian parties wanted Russian citizenship. They wanted it to provide leverage against Ukraine. But Russian citizenship was not accessible to them. It was illegal by Ukrainian law. And Russia did not seem to facilitate access to Russian citizenship in Crimea – even for those in pro-Russian parties."

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/rese...crimeans-really-pro-russian-before-annexation






Your post is a stream of Russian propaganda, it’s all the same predictable falsehoods and misinformation spread by the well known Putin apologists that are in the media.

So please stop posting Russian propaganda and go away and do some factual research, not conspiracy theorist misinformation

 

[RobinBHM]

So in effect what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with you or has a different perspective on a subject to your own is delusional in your eyes?

Tony, every post you write is literally that.

 

[RobinBHM]

Can't really see much point in continuing any debate with you.
You are so far beyond delusional that if I were standing at delusional I would need a telescope to see you.

I dont know whether he actually believes the garbage or just wants to stir trouble

either way its spreading dishonest misinformation

 

[Scruples]

But we can make surmises.

Next best thing is to watch the Adam Curtis films https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0d3hwl1/russia-19851999-traumazone

Not the next best thing. That is just reporting the history as interpreted years later. No comparison there.

 

[ey_tony]

Tony, every post you write is literally that.

...and you aren't guilty of that I suppose? LOL

 

[ey_tony]

I dont know whether he actually believes the garbage or just wants to stir trouble

either way its spreading dishonest misinformation

The problem with ideologues, a category arguably you and others would fit nicely into is that they can't see past their own bigotry and view everyone else totally wrong who doesn't agree with them.

 

[Cozzer]

What a pointless discussion all this has become.
It matters not a jot what your opinions are.
If the situation truly bothers you that much, go and pick up arms and fight for one side or the other...

This whole post is not far removed from a "he said she said" or "my dad's a policeman, and bigger than yours.."

 

[Chris152]

What a pointless discussion all this has become.
It matters not a jot what your opinions are.
If the situation truly bothers you that much, go and pick up arms and fight for one side or the other...

This whole post is not far removed from a "he said she said" or "my dad's a policeman, and bigger than yours.."

I disagree, I find some of the arguments interesting, even challenging, but once it becomes 'you're this', 'you're like that' it does get utterly pointless.

 

[ey_tony]

Irrespective of whether or not all of what Tn is entirely true or not it does pour water onto your Western fed propaganda bigotry and it may even come as a surprise to you that there are people out there who see what is happening without the issue of myopia that propaganda produces.

I don't support any wars including this one as it has its roots in ideology on both sides and unfortunately it's always the foot soldier and civilians who pay the terrible price and for what? No doubt it will inevitably be settled around the negotiating tables but thousands of lives will have been lost in cause of ideology.