Putin is a loser

[Trainee neophyte]

Upfront admission. I didn't read past your first sentence.

Why?

I have family remaining in Ukraine as well as those who have fled.
I am currently Serving and have a good understanding of "facts" that are not in any way adulterated by "spin"

I have a really good idea of what I'm talking about and it isn't from listening to or reading anything either MSM or Social Media.

Your credentials, please?

I have none. I am nobody, from nowhere. This is the internet, after all. If you have family in the Ukraine then you ought to know all about what actually happened in 2013 and 2014, the reasons why the breakaway republics broke away, the reality as opposed to the fictional western story of the "invasion" of the Crimea. Perhaps you could share your inside knowledge with us. Unless you are actually a member of 77 Brigade or similar, in which case there really is little point.

 

[Trainee neophyte]

He claims to be former UK military but living in Moldova.

I do hope you are refering to someone other than me, because otherwise you are wrong on both counts. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[Fergie 307]

1. Why is this relevant to today's war? Other than to paint all Russians as monsters, it doesn't really have any bearing.
2. I never denied the asterisk of Berlin. As an avid war history buff, I presume you know about the German scorched earth policy, the 27 to 30 million dead Russians and the fact that those Russian soldiers had seen sufficent horrors perpetrated on their civilian population as they advanced through German occupied Russia, Ukraine etc. . While not condoning asterisk, it didn't happen in a vacuum. Interestingly, quite a number of the nazi perpetrators of horrific crimes were shipped off to Alied nations (operation paperclip, I believe), so the Alied side didn't seem to have too much of a problem with people of dubious morality. Canada was particularly enthusiastic to take Ukrainian SS members, it would seem. Quite a big expat community in Canada, and parliamentary standing ovations for ex SS soldiers.
3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_France just to balance the argument.
4. Modern Russia is not the USSR. Vladimir Putin is not Joseph Stalin. Two points that seem to be problematic for some.

Well excuse me but when someone refers to something as alleged in that context it tends to indicate that they don't believe it. Glad to hear that's not the case.
And Stalin and the development of the post revolution USSR very much has a bearing on what is going on now.
We are looking at essentially the legacy of the cold war, which has shaped Soviet, and I would argue Russian, thinking ever since.
Stalin was the architect of this.
Putin has made no secret that he thinks the demise of the old order was a disaster, so extremely relevant.

And yes the allies were quite happy to ignore the often very unsavoury past of scientists and others, who's skills they wanted post war.
Disgusting I agree.
You do know that the Soviets did exactly the same, under Osoaviakhim, or are you conveniently ignoring that?
Not sure it really works as a piece of whataboutery.

And yes the Germans behaved in an utterly barbaric way.
And the commissars urged red army troops to take their revenge on the German people in kind, which they did with enthusiasm. All very civilised.
Again not really a great argument is it?

Getting back to the point, which you have completely avoided answering.

Why, if the Russians have so comprehensively thrashed the Ukrainian army, is Putin not parading through the streets of Kiev?
And why is the notorious fascist Zelensky still apparently in power?

Seems rather strange, don't you think?

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain these apparent contradictions for us thickies.

 

[Jake]

I do hope you are refering to someone other than me, because otherwise you are wrong on both counts. Sorry to disappoint.

You have said you were former UK military (edit, can't find a reference so accept I may be wrong on that). I may have got the country wrong (Macedonia?) but it's somewhat adjacent to Bulgaria.

 

[paulrbarnard]

You have said you were former UK military (edit, can't find a reference so accept I may be wrong on that). I may have got the country wrong (Macedonia?) but it's somewhat adjacent to Bulgaria.

He said he ‘Served’. Perhaps in catering?

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

I have none. I am nobody, from nowhere. This is the internet, after all. If you have family in the Ukraine then you ought to know all about what actually happened in 2013 and 2014, the reasons why the breakaway republics broke away, the reality as opposed to the fictional western story of the "invasion" of the Crimea. Perhaps you could share your inside knowledge with us. Unless you are actually a member of 77 Brigade or similar, in which case there really is little point.

I have no clue what you are referring to because it is utter disinformation. Utter garbage. Utter, utter BS.
I also have no clue what 77 Bgde might be?
(I did say I was currently serving g, and that label suggests a very dodgy organisation, the type that if I had an association, then my high level Security Clearance would be revoked and I'd have to move jobs.)

 

[Jake]

I also have no clue what 77 Bgde might be?

He is saying you might be British Army psyops. Eg https://www.wired.com/story/inside-the-77th-brigade-britains-information-warfare-military/

Attack is the best form of defence I suppose. And always project to deflect.

 

[Jacob]

just a reminder I've already linked, but Adam Curtis is essential viewing and brilliantly filmed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0d3hwl1/russia-19851999-traumazone

 

[Jake]

He said he ‘Served’. Perhaps in catering?

You recall that too?

 

[Trainee neophyte]

You have said you were former UK military (edit, can't find a reference so accept I may be wrong on that). I may have got the country wrong (Macedonia?) but it's somewhat adjacent to Bulgaria.

My profile tells you exactly where I am. The location is stated quite clearly at the bottom of my avatar, on every post. Back in the day I even posted photos of my house.

And yes, I am only two border crossings from the U,raine, hence my desire to work out what is actually going on.

;-)

Why, if the Russians have so comprehensively thrashed the Ukrainian army, is Putin not parading through the streets of Kiev?
And why is the notorious fascist Zelensky still apparently in power?

Seems rather strange, don't you think?

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain these apparent contradictions for us thickies

"Patience, Grasshopper".

Firstly, I don't actually know, I can only guess. I'm not privy to either Russian or Ukrainian defence intelligence. However, as far as I can tell, Russia invaded with far too few soldiers to actually take and hold ground - it was more of a lightning strike to make a point, followed by negotiation to get what they wanted. The ukranian side seemed to agree to a compromise, and even went as far as to initial some documents but then Boris turned up to put a stop to all that. As far as I can tell, the plan seems to have been to get Russia to overextended themselves by taking too much territory, then have them suffer a 20 year Afghanistan insurgency style war of occupation - NATO knows exactly how much that hurts.
Once Russia worked out they had been duped (yet again) by the agreement non-capable West, they did something that seems to have baffled NATO: they went into a ww1 trench warfare, stalemate style war of attrition. It has sucked in all the old Warsaw pact equipment, all the old NATO equipment (Challenger tanks being a fine example), and artillery is the lynchpin. Russian (ie. USSR) doctrine always had far more artilliary than NATO, because NATO has shiny jets for air supremacy, so Russia has a 10 to 1 superiority in artillery. Russia also seems to have a casualty ratio commensurate with their artillery superiority, unless you take Ukranian official pronouncements at face value.

Current tactics appear to be shell the bejesus out of a Ukrainian trench until everyone seems to be dead or disabled, then send 4 guys on motorbikes to take said trench. Only 4, because drones have changed the entire landscape of war.

So, first Ukrainian army, trained and supplied by NATO from 2014 to 2022 (after rebuilding following various embarrassing episodes involving angry Donbas miners and airports) gets taken apart pretty quickly in the first few weeks of chaos following the initial invasion by Russia in 2022. The Ukrainian counterattack and retreat/retrenchment by Russia led to a stalemate and actually pretty wobbly moments for Russia, once it became clear the Ukraine wouldn't go belly up immediately. Russian troops numbers were far too low to do the job, but they managed to hold on into 2023 and a partial mobilisation gave them more to work with. 2023 was the great Ukrainian counterattack - a whole new army, tra8ned abroad and fully equipped with shiny NATO kit (run out of Soviet toys by this point) smashed itself to pieces repeatedly on the Surovikin defensive line. I freely admit to being baffled by the NATO/Ukranian tactics here - perhaps you were involved in the disaster, and can give more details as to what the generals were thinking.

2024 is the great second battle of Kirsk - same as 2023: oodles of NATO equipment smashed to pieces for absolutely no purpose, other than to confirm to the Russian people that this is an existential war against the entirety of the Western world. Russia proper under attack, by people driving German tanks and wearing WWII German helmets. Again, baffling strategy that serves no immediate purpose other than to kill many, many Ukrainians while trying to take some strategically irrelevant cow pasture.

Tldr version:
2022 Warsaw pact equipped Ukrainian army destroyed. Russia retrenches for defensive, attritional war.
2023 new NATO equipped Ukrainian army destroyed on Surovikin line - no gain for Ukraine
2024yet another new NATO equipped Ukrainian army destroyed in Kursk - no gain for Ukraine.

Currently all the good kit is still being sent to Kursk, where it gets exploded. In the meantime, the Ukrainians on the rest of the front are struggling badly because there are no longer any reserves. Russia doesn't seem interested in taking ground, they seem very interested in killing Ukrainian soldiers, and they seem to be very good at it. The various fronts appear to be slowly collapsing due to lack of reserves, but Russia has endless patience it would seem, and are content to keep the casualty ratio somewhere around 6-8 dead Ukrainian for every dead Russian.

That's my personal take - please show me where i might be wrong.

 

[Jake]

My profile tells you exactly where I am. The location is stated quite clearly at the bottom of my avatar, on every post. Back in the day I even posted photos of my house.

Yes now deleted like a lot of stuff. You definitely were not in Greece before. You claimed Macedonia.

 

[RobinBHM]

I have none. I am nobody, from nowhere. This is the internet, after all. If you have family in the Ukraine then you ought to know all about what actually happened in 2013 and 2014, the reasons why the breakaway republics broke away, the reality as opposed to the fictional western story of the "invasion" of the Crimea. Perhaps you could share your inside knowledge with us. Unless you are actually a member of 77 Brigade or similar, in which case there really is little point.

Usual trolling from Neophyte.

What happened in 2013 and 2014 was that Putin sent in Wagner to annexe Donbas.

Also Putin funded and armed Russian supporting separatists….many of which came from Russia.

Azov and Ukraine general army began fighting them


And no people of Crimea did not want to become part of Russia

 

[RobinBHM]

I have no clue what you are referring to because it is utter disinformation. Utter garbage. Utter, utter BS.
I also have no clue what 77 Bgde might be?
(I did say I was currently serving g, and that label suggests a very dodgy organisation, the type that if I had an association, then my high level Security Clearance would be revoked and I'd have to move jobs.)

I wouldn’t bother he is a nasty troll