Putin is a loser

[TRITON]

Quisling or feckless Chamberlain, I can't decide.

So to you the dying of Ukrainian people is a principle thing ? You dont want that war to end, just keep going till the death toll is in the millions.

 

[Jake]

It's their choice - I think that's a good principle, not pulling the rug out from under them so they fall under the murderous regime of a tyrant.

 

[Croolis]

It's their choice - I think that's a good principle, not pulling the rug out from under them so they fall under the murderous regime of a tyrant.

This. It's the Ukrainians war ultimately, not ours. They are defending their sovereignty, unsurpisingly. Nobody would be saying "oh let's call it off and try and save lives" if the Russians were invading central Europe.

I also don't think the Ukrainians will be forced into anything if the Americans pull their support, because I suspect European countries mostly won't pull their support (I guess I could be plenty wrong about that lol).

As for the Russians being wonderful militarily, they clearly are not. I've not looked at anything on this for months, but best part of a year ago I saw a report talking about how, with numbers quantifying it, they were using up 2nd and 3rd line materiel that had been sitting in storage like Jake says. Been a meat grinder for them. I guess this sort of reporting could be pro-western propaganda (yes, I believe we in the west do that too), but I don't believe the Russian military has moved along since cold war days like other major militaries.