Hypnotic Chimera
Directional Consultant Extraordinaire
Last night a new UK political cross-party Group was instituted - with the sole aim of reform of politics and the voting system. Over 100 MPs have already joined the Group.
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Last night a new UK political cross-party Group was instituted - with the sole aim of reform of politics and the voting system. Over 100 MPs have already joined the Group.
Hypnotic Chimera
Directional Consultant Extraordinaire
What is most clear to me is that it will be the least well off US Citizens that will suffer directly by the largest margin. Both Bloomberg and Goldman published their forecasts of what would happen if all of the Trump policies were to be enacted - including Mass Deportation. Others did too and came with similar results, but it is the Bloomberg and Goldman economic forecasts that I remember most vividly.
Forecasts
US Family Incomes
Trump Policies would have a direct negative effect on the lowest three deciles of US wage earners in the $10k - $100k bracket - the lowest earners' wages $0k-$30k would reduce the most with over 4% reduction; and the highest 2 deciles $80k-$100k would see around 4% rise.
US GDP
Trump Policies would also see a very high negative effect on GDP - and taking Mass Deportation alongside Tariffs would see a forecast of 10% drop in US GDP. Bigger than a Recession and more like a Depression.
^^This is from respected and credible sources that are notionally more aligned to "right wing free market thinking" than a "left wing leaning".
Hypnotic Chimera
Directional Consultant Extraordinaire
Well that's one way of looking at it I suppose but to any rational person it just shows the amount of hate Democrats have for Trump and his supporters.
What kind of person do you suppose is it that pulls up alongside someone holding a Trump supporting flag and then spits on it then drives off recklessly and a lunatic to the extent of losing control and crashing their car?
I really hope he found it was worth it as I found it hilarious and I'd love to see more of that sort of thing...Democrats getting what they deserve....Oh hang on, they did and she was called Kamala something or other? I forget what!
At least the American people got rid of the left wingers, unfortunately we in the UK are lumbered with them, but hope fully not for long.
Hang on a minute, Tony.
On the one hand, in another thread, you appear to fervently believe that some new UK Labour policies will "affect the least well off the most" (without any substantiation - but let's roll with it anyway). You cite this as a reason why you hold a negative view of said policies and said government and insult them so much.
On the other hand, it would appear that you are not taking this "affecting the least well off the most" in your analysis of our US Cousins. And in fact appear to favour a political party that is about to unleash a severe depression that will affect the least well off the most.
Which is very confusing for me, since it is not coherent or in the least bit joined up.
ey_tony
Established Member
I am fully self aware of my shortcomings! Having said that I simply respond to the left wing drivel and bigotry which is posted regularly on here so I suppose in your eyes that makes me prejudiced and I can live with that!
However arguably I don't spend my time obsessing like a sufferer of OCD which is evident on here in their hysterical dislike of all things Trump.
I'm not even a particular fan of Trump but I'm much less of a fan of left wing politics as they appear from my perspective to be subscribed to by hate filled hard of thinkers
This is the reason why I dislike left wing politics...it's not the politics per se which I dislike it's the people who subscribe to them who are the issue for me. I liken many of them to religious extremists and there are numerous examples in these threads.
Hypnotic Chimera
Directional Consultant Extraordinaire
No he didn't make any defence - he actually said that it shows the driver is a singular *****. It would do you well to stop imagining things/putting words into people's mouths/judging a cohort from the actions of one person.
Hypnotic Chimera
Directional Consultant Extraordinaire
Translation:
(Insult people with left leaning views, without substantiation)
I hate some left wing people.
(Insult people with left leaning views some more, again without substantiation)
I therefore hate ALL left wing people.
I therefore hate their politics.
I also don't care if you might be proposing something that would be generally good or if you provide verifiable facts and evidence for anything - I will never believe them anyway, simply because a lefty posted them. And I will never absorb them or acknowledge them. And because I hate lefties I will always knee-jerk react to hating and not believing the material they provide, regardless of its provenance.
(Finally, insult people with left leaning views just a wee bit more, once again without substantiation)
Did I get that about right?
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
Yes you did. Unfortunately though trying to discuss things or reason with Tony is pointless and just feeds his need to keep drawing attention to himself. Best imo to not feed the troll.
sploo
Somewhat extinguished member
That's why I've stopped bothering to reply to his posts; he's clearly just looking for attention.Yes you did. Unfortunately though trying to discuss things or reason with Tony is pointless and just feeds his need to keep drawing attention to himself. Best imo to not feed the troll.
Terry - Somerset
Established Member
You may well be right - the world of international trade is very connected.
One reason for Trumps popularity may be that he doesn't seem to go in for deep thinking - superficial and simple is the order of the day. This appeals to many.
Is stopping immigration with the risk of upsetting a few US based/owned companies a better idea than doing nothing - accepting immigration.
I make no judgement as to whether US immigration is good or bad - a little like Farage/Reform in the UK the public like simplistic solutions to sometimes complex problems. OTOH simple is sometimes good.
Yes, I think so - swap the 'deep state' for a frighteningly shallow state. But one that taps in to people's deepest fears and prejudices - leading to racism, sexism, homophobia, and so on. Money, materialism, me me me (and f everyone else).
ey_tony
Established Member
I'm open to reasoned debate but it's near impossible to debate with the left wing obsessive fringe elements that frequent this forum.Yes you did. Unfortunately though trying to discuss things or reason with Tony is pointless and just feeds his need to keep drawing attention to himself. Best imo to not feed the troll.
For starters these extremists DON'T speak for me and most rational people in the UK but their irrational hysteria over Trump's election as president and selection of his aides could affect the future working with his administration.
The moron Lammy shouldn't be allowed near Trump he's an utter embarrassment and so too is Starmer. They are arguably both morons who will do more harm than good to the people of the UK.
It's difficult to figure out which of them is the worst.
There's allegedly an online petition currently at 2 million to get a re-run of the general election which is arguably a reasonable request seeing as the majority of people now believe that the Labour party lied in order to get their votes. Starmer seems to think that it isn't real and fake news and that it's the work of foreign influences which is fueling it.
Sorry old chap but the reason is you and your chums are liars!
Because Harris is a black woman? There's no other reason to say it would be *indefensible*. She's perfectly competent and qualified and of good character (even if not to your acceptable flavour of politics), so unless one of those two characteristics can't be defensible for a president it's hard to see how that equivalence can be drawn.
Phil Pascoe
Established Member
If you say so.
How would it be indefensible then? As opposed to not your preference.
John Brown
Freeloading Social media influenza
I'll happily sign such a petition, if we can have another Brexit vote first.
AJB Temple
Finely figured
Do you really believe that? Perfectly competent? Her speeches were a giggling vacuous word salad and she had no discernible policies. Hence her massive defeat.
She's almost as expert and honest as our very own Rachel Reeves. You know - the economist.
Yes I do. I don't agree about her speeches having listened to some all the way through. She's clearly very bright and articulate, and has a good sense of humour. As for a lack of policies, that really is not true. She had a very detailed policy agenda. She's had a far more distinguished career than anyone on this forum.
That's a petty and dishonest attack. You've been reading too much Telegraph again. Should try a newspaper some time.
I think you're overthinking that really, it can be reduced to:-
"Anybody who I don't agree with is a raving looney lefty and it's my civic duty to insult them!"
AJB Temple
Finely figured
Are you sure? When you listened to the giggler speeches did you have ear plugs in? Her "policies" were unconvincing to voters. Most US media regard this as a major weakness of her campaign.
I don't read the Telegraph as it is behind a paywall. Sorry to prick your bubble. But it is clearly true that Reeves has backtracked on her CV after various former employers called her out for being economical with the actualité.
I called this out (her ridiculous credentials) weeks ago on this site, before it broke in the news media that she had lied on on her CV.
