President Elect's 'top team'

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Needs to go along with the class system, lets abolish all the stupid titles like Sir, Lord etc etc and accept that we are all the same. If we always play politcal tennis between just two parties then we can never achieve real change, the only way to rebuild this country is to change how we do things. Just because you have always used a chiesel to make mortices does not mean you cannot look for a morticing machine, so same old tools working to age old methods gives same old results !

Last night a new UK political cross-party Group was instituted - with the sole aim of reform of politics and the voting system. Over 100 MPs have already joined the Group.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

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[Hypnotic Chimera]

Do we know who owns the industries Robin mentions? I don't know, but my guess would be that they are significantly owned in the US, and taking advantage of low-wage workers? Just made that up (bit busy) but if correct, those US companies will suffer?

What is most clear to me is that it will be the least well off US Citizens that will suffer directly by the largest margin. Both Bloomberg and Goldman published their forecasts of what would happen if all of the Trump policies were to be enacted - including Mass Deportation. Others did too and came with similar results, but it is the Bloomberg and Goldman economic forecasts that I remember most vividly.

Forecasts

US Family Incomes

Trump Policies would have a direct negative effect on the lowest three deciles of US wage earners in the $10k - $100k bracket - the lowest earners' wages $0k-$30k would reduce the most with over 4% reduction; and the highest 2 deciles $80k-$100k would see around 4% rise.

US GDP

Trump Policies would also see a very high negative effect on GDP - and taking Mass Deportation alongside Tariffs would see a forecast of 10% drop in US GDP. Bigger than a Recession and more like a Depression.

^^This is from respected and credible sources that are notionally more aligned to "right wing free market thinking" than a "left wing leaning".

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Well that's one way of looking at it I suppose but to any rational person it just shows the amount of hate Democrats have for Trump and his supporters.

What kind of person do you suppose is it that pulls up alongside someone holding a Trump supporting flag and then spits on it then drives off recklessly and a lunatic to the extent of losing control and crashing their car?

I really hope he found it was worth it as I found it hilarious and I'd love to see more of that sort of thing...Democrats getting what they deserve....Oh hang on, they did and she was called Kamala something or other? I forget what!
At least the American people got rid of the left wingers, unfortunately we in the UK are lumbered with them, but hope fully not for long.

Hang on a minute, Tony.

On the one hand, in another thread, you appear to fervently believe that some new UK Labour policies will "affect the least well off the most" (without any substantiation - but let's roll with it anyway). You cite this as a reason why you hold a negative view of said policies and said government and insult them so much.

On the other hand, it would appear that you are not taking this "affecting the least well off the most" in your analysis of our US Cousins. And in fact appear to favour a political party that is about to unleash a severe depression that will affect the least well off the most.

Which is very confusing for me, since it is not coherent or in the least bit joined up.

 

[ey_tony]

As an impartial observer to these political threads, I wonder how you can accuse others of prejudice yet not consider yourself prejudiced. I guess self awareness is not one of your strengths ;-)

I am fully self aware of my shortcomings! Having said that I simply respond to the left wing drivel and bigotry which is posted regularly on here so I suppose in your eyes that makes me prejudiced and I can live with that!
However arguably I don't spend my time obsessing like a sufferer of OCD which is evident on here in their hysterical dislike of all things Trump.
I'm not even a particular fan of Trump but I'm much less of a fan of left wing politics as they appear from my perspective to be subscribed to by hate filled hard of thinkers

This is the reason why I dislike left wing politics...it's not the politics per se which I dislike it's the people who subscribe to them who are the issue for me. I liken many of them to religious extremists and there are numerous examples in these threads.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Oh my goodness you are so prejudiced it's incredible!
The guy pulled up alongside the guy holding the flag and spat on it and then drove off like a lunatic....what more do you actually want?

You really are a joke trying to defend the indefensible, which is hardly unexpected given your political leaning! The back story is that the Democrats hate Trump supporters, that's the back story but by all means you keep squirming if it makes you feel better.

No he didn't make any defence - he actually said that it shows the driver is a singular *****. It would do you well to stop imagining things/putting words into people's mouths/judging a cohort from the actions of one person.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

I am fully self aware of my shortcomings! Having said that I simply respond to the left wing drivel and bigotry which is posted regularly on here so I suppose in your eyes that makes me prejudiced and I can live with that!
However arguably I don't spend my time obsessing like a sufferer of OCD which is evident on here in their hysterical dislike of all things Trump.
I'm not even a particular fan of Trump but I'm much less of a fan of left wing politics as they appear from my perspective to be subscribed to by hate filled hard of thinkers

This is the reason why I dislike left wing politics...it's not the politics per se which I dislike it's the people who subscribe to them who are the issue for me. I liken many of them to religious extremists and there are numerous examples in these threads.

Translation:

(Insult people with left leaning views, without substantiation)
I hate some left wing people.
(Insult people with left leaning views some more, again without substantiation)
I therefore hate ALL left wing people.
I therefore hate their politics.

I also don't care if you might be proposing something that would be generally good or if you provide verifiable facts and evidence for anything - I will never believe them anyway, simply because a lefty posted them. And I will never absorb them or acknowledge them. And because I hate lefties I will always knee-jerk react to hating and not believing the material they provide, regardless of its provenance.
(Finally, insult people with left leaning views just a wee bit more, once again without substantiation)


Did I get that about right?

 

[Blackswanwood]

Translation:

(Insult people with left leaning views, without substantiation)
I hate some left wing people.
(Insult people with left leaning views some more, again without substantiation)
I therefore hate ALL left wing people.
I therefore hate their politics.

I also don't care if you might be proposing something that would be generally good or if you provide verifiable facts and evidence for anything - I will never believe them anyway, simply because a lefty posted them. And I will never absorb them or acknowledge them. And because I hate lefties I will always knee-jerk react to hating and not believing the material they provide, regardless of its provenance.
(Finally, insult people with left leaning views just a wee bit more, once again without substantiation)


Did I get that about right?

Yes you did. Unfortunately though trying to discuss things or reason with Tony is pointless and just feeds his need to keep drawing attention to himself. Best imo to not feed the troll.

 

[sploo]

Yes you did. Unfortunately though trying to discuss things or reason with Tony is pointless and just feeds his need to keep drawing attention to himself. Best imo to not feed the troll.

That's why I've stopped bothering to reply to his posts; he's clearly just looking for attention.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

Do we know who owns the industries Robin mentions? I don't know, but my guess would be that they are significantly owned in the US, and taking advantage of low-wage workers? Just made that up (bit busy) but if correct, those US companies will suffer?

You may well be right - the world of international trade is very connected.

One reason for Trumps popularity may be that he doesn't seem to go in for deep thinking - superficial and simple is the order of the day. This appeals to many.

Is stopping immigration with the risk of upsetting a few US based/owned companies a better idea than doing nothing - accepting immigration.

I make no judgement as to whether US immigration is good or bad - a little like Farage/Reform in the UK the public like simplistic solutions to sometimes complex problems. OTOH simple is sometimes good.

 

[Chris152]

One reason for Trumps popularity may be that he doesn't seem to go in for deep thinking - superficial and simple is the order of the day. This appeals to many.

Yes, I think so - swap the 'deep state' for a frighteningly shallow state. But one that taps in to people's deepest fears and prejudices - leading to racism, sexism, homophobia, and so on. Money, materialism, me me me (and f everyone else).

 

[ey_tony]

Yes you did. Unfortunately though trying to discuss things or reason with Tony is pointless and just feeds his need to keep drawing attention to himself. Best imo to not feed the troll.

I'm open to reasoned debate but it's near impossible to debate with the left wing obsessive fringe elements that frequent this forum.
For starters these extremists DON'T speak for me and most rational people in the UK but their irrational hysteria over Trump's election as president and selection of his aides could affect the future working with his administration.
The moron Lammy shouldn't be allowed near Trump he's an utter embarrassment and so too is Starmer. They are arguably both morons who will do more harm than good to the people of the UK.
It's difficult to figure out which of them is the worst.

There's allegedly an online petition currently at 2 million to get a re-run of the general election which is arguably a reasonable request seeing as the majority of people now believe that the Labour party lied in order to get their votes. Starmer seems to think that it isn't real and fake news and that it's the work of foreign influences which is fueling it.

Sorry old chap but the reason is you and your chums are liars!

 

[Chris152]

And neither of them could run a bath. And something about not being able to make it up.

 

[Jake]

It was indefensible supporting either of them.

Because Harris is a black woman? There's no other reason to say it would be *indefensible*. She's perfectly competent and qualified and of good character (even if not to your acceptable flavour of politics), so unless one of those two characteristics can't be defensible for a president it's hard to see how that equivalence can be drawn.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

If you say so.

 

[Jake]

If you say so.

How would it be indefensible then? As opposed to not your preference.

 

[John Brown]

I'm open to reasoned debate but it's near impossible to debate with the left wing obsessive fringe elements that frequent this forum.
For starters these extremists DON'T speak for me and most rational people in the UK but their irrational hysteria over Trump's election as president and selection of his aides could affect the future working with his administration.
The moron Lammy shouldn't be allowed near Trump he's an utter embarrassment and so too is Starmer. They are arguably both morons who will do more harm than good to the people of the UK.
It's difficult to figure out which of them is the worst.

There's allegedly an online petition currently at 2 million to get a re-run of the general election which is arguably a reasonable request seeing as the majority of people now believe that the Labour party lied in order to get their votes. Starmer seems to think that it isn't real and fake news and that it's the work of foreign influences which is fueling it.

Sorry old chap but the reason is you and your chums are liars!

I'll happily sign such a petition, if we can have another Brexit vote first.