I think you may have got a bit confused. I'm against appeasement and have pointed out the folly of that as a strategy. I've checked the dictionary definition to make sure I'm not confused and it's what Neville Chamberlain did before WWII and that didn't turn out well.
It's a characteristic of your posts to paint those who have a different view as mindlessly following politicians and media. Just telling people they are wrong and"a bit thick" doesn't generally convince them of an alternative point of view.
I don't see it as spending billions so nearly 1 million Ukrainians can die. I'm assuming your figure of 1 million Ukrainian deaths is your projection as it's a very long way north of quoted figures. That doesn't make the casualties acceptable (on both sides) but it's also not acceptable to just subject Ukraine to Putin's rule if that's not what they want.
No I don't. The state of Putin's nose is of no concern of mine. I'd rather this war was not happening and that any disputes were being settled via diplomatic means.
It's not an empty land - it's sovereign Ukrainian territory the home and is also rich in natural resources (which Russia is not short of).
We can perhaps agree that BJ is an irresponsible clown but ironically I think this is the one thing he did which was sensible.
It's Ukrainian territory as recognised by international law. I'm puzzled that you think Black Rock own most of it as they don't.
I know I'm not appeasing anyone - that's what I said from the start. I'm not blind to the horrors of what is happening. You don't know me so please don't try and characterise or pigeon hole me as one of your self determined stereotypes.
I know we're not appeasing Putin - you appear confused.
I continue to respect your right to have a different opinion to mine but don't recognise you as the moral arbiter that you seem to think you are so no need to make a diary note to come back to remind me of anything.
You clearly see the world very differently so I'll leave it at that if you feel the need to have the last word.
Sorry, I obviously meant ‘not appeasing’. I’m not having the last word. You either respond to this or don’t.
Nothing to do with ww2. The similarity isn’t even close. In fact the opposite is. As Putin sees it, nato and the west that are breaking promises of non aggression. Which they are.
I didn’t imply you were thick. Intelligent people though are usually less likely to see the failing in their thinking through hubris. The same could be said for me,
I’m stating facts, As part of the pact between Russia and nato, nato would not encroach up to Russian borders. Then the EU and the US started saying Ukrain could be a Nato country. The two performed a coup to replace the russian friendly leader and then started talks regarding EU and Nato accession. So who is the aggressor here?
Try to put aside your sensibilities over Putin.
These are not “a different way of seeing the world”, these are facts. Simple facts that are easily verified.
Ask yourself, before nato, the EU and the US started playing their games, did Russia invade Ukraine? No they didn’t. They didn’t need to, had no reason to and were already in control of it. This propaganda that Putin wanted to rebuilt the soviet empire is purely that (imo) because for all the decades Putin was in charge, they never once invaded it. Russia doesn’t even have the people to control it, far better to have them as a clientele state under their influence.
If Ukraine is sovereign territory, why our are dirty finger prints all over it? We perfeormed the coup against their democratically elected leader. Where was ‘ukraine sovereignty’ then?
Black Rock are and will be the largest benefactor of rebuilding contracts when the war is over. All the apartment blocks, farms, factories, etc.. will be owned by them and other US/UK entities.
I have the right to my opnion as you have the right to take responsibility for yours. I’m not the one supporting this war and I’m not the one to take basic facts, actual real time events and ignore them, which you have to do, if you suppor this war and parrot the western position on it, which is that Ukraine is an innocent sovereign country, being bullied by Russia.
Ukraine is a pawn being fought over by 2 super powers. Any use of the term sovereignty here is disingenuous at best.
When Ukraine was under Russian control, there was no conflict.
Just the facts.
