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I remember the issues. However, I think personalising everything by attributing it to a Prime Minister is wrong. Any PW or other boss is at the top of a pyramid. There is a huge army of other people, managers, civil servants, sub contractors, consultants and so on all in the mix and any boss, whatever his or her title, has little choice but to trust them. Almost all political decisions are made with imperfect information and forecasting guesswork. I doubt anyone had a good idea of the scale of problems and complexity in the NHS, with 60 million customers and record sets, and I doubt they do now either.
 
Re rich people re-locating. Almost totally impossible to track. Most seriously rich people will have over seas assets (multiple homes, maybe a yacht etc) and tax planning, trusts, corporate veils etc in place. Registered outside UK and well diversified. They will retain a UK presence, such as a house, and will be super discreet about what they are doing. There is no incentive whatsoever to publicise it let alone tell the media.
 
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Also very sad that a multi millionaire with a very good salary on top of his investment income can't like normal people buy his own tickets to watch his favourite football team. He can afford his own, secure private box and I'm sure Arsenal would appreciate the income.

You can't say honour, integrity and ability in the same sentence as politician.
In 1985 I was appointed as a magistrate, in which role I served for 22 years.

When we were sworn in and took the judicial oath, a wise experienced judge gave us the benefit of his wisdom and said:

"You and I are performing a civic duty on behalf of members of the public who have certain expectations of how we conduct ourselves. There are lots of things we all do at times, which - though not against the law - are perhaps questionable. The best advice I can give you is that if there is anything you are doing, or are thinking of doing, which - if it became public knowledge would cause people to say 'Fancy that, and him a magistrate' - you'd best not do it".

It's stuck in my mind ever since, and the word 'magistrate' could be substituted for vicar, solicitor, teacher, doctor, politician, MP, Councillor, or any similar role in life. Starmer has said 'he's not broken any rules'. That may be so, but I guess many will be thinking, and indeed are saying: "Fancy that - and him the leader of the government who has said he's on a mission to clean up politics".

He and the rest of them say they'll stop doing it, but there's no contrition or admission (in fact, some indignation), that against the bleak background they're painting, they should never have done it in the first place.

The true extent to which Starmer, Rayner, Reeves, Lammy et al have benefitted from the largesse of donors, and disguised the purpose for which the money was actually used is beyond belief. (Not just ‘the Emperor’s clothes’ but the Empresse's too). When in opposition, Starmer adopted a sanctimonious, holier than thou, self-righteous air about the excesses of the likes of Johnson, and when campaigning prior to the election, said he would ‘bring back trust into politics’, stamp out Tory sleaze and cronyism, ‘renew the foundations’ and had a ’fully costed and fully funded’ manifesto.

This is worth a read:

https://www.ft.com/content/2a218255-c08e-4091-8c7a-f51dd46795be

What happened to his ‘moral compass?

In just a few weeks, he’s demonstrated that there’s a gaping ‘black hole’ in the middle of his government where leadership, thinking, empathy, strategy, understanding and competence should be. Instead, he blames every misstep he makes on the Tories ‘black hole’ and keeps banging on about how much worse it’s going to be before it gets better. Just trying to soften everyone up for the ‘big steal’ looming in October.

Here’s what he said when in Opposition:

“If I were Prime Minister, we would have an Office of Value for Money on behalf of taxpayers, an anti-corruption commission with real teeth and far greater transparency on how your hard-earned money is spent. And we’d toughen the rules so MPs can’t profit from their office and open the door to vested interests. That is a serious plan to clean up Westminster”.

Really, that should be posted in the ’Joke’ section.

When in opposition and it was rumoured that the Tories were to cut winter fuel allowance, Labour produced research which found that 4,000 pensioners could die if the allowance was cut. They clearly haven’t done one before scrapping the allowance in such haste. All that’s happened since their previous assessment is that energy costs have gone sky high. If/when the policy does cause vulnerable elderly people to die this winter, Starmer won’t be able to plead ignorance.

We’re told that 880,000 of the poorest pensioners are eligible for the 'Pension Credit' support who are yet to claim. To be able to claim, 234 questions need to be answered on a 26-page form to be filled in online. Let’s suppose that they all did claim, that would require 880,000 26-page forms to be checked and involve vetting 202,920,000 answers to see if the applicants qualified.

Just who would do that, in what timescale, and at what cost?

He’s been shamed into making a ‘U’ turn on not expecting donors to provide him and others with clothes, tickets for shows etc, (and in Rayner’s case, five nights in a luxury hotel in New York, and Reeves a week in Cornwall). There's a chill in the air, and winter is around the corner. There’s still time for him to recognise this monumental lapse of judgement and make a ‘U’ Turn on winter fuel.

Just imagine the outcry from Labour if, (big if), the Tories been elected and scrapped it.
 
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I remember the issues. However, I think personalising everything by attributing it to a Prime Minister is wrong. Any PW or other boss is at the top of a pyramid. There is a huge army of other people, managers, civil servants, sub contractors, consultants and so on all in the mix and any boss, whatever his or her title, has little choice but to trust them. Almost all political decisions are made with imperfect information and forecasting guesswork. I doubt anyone had a good idea of the scale of problems and complexity in the NHS, with 60 million customers and record sets, and I doubt they do now either.
Normally yes but in this case Blair wanted to do it in 2 years. All the professional advice to him was that two years was way too short a timescale for something of this complexity. But Blair insisted and kept plugging away until he found someone who said "I can do it. I can do it". The rest is history.
 
It's the quality of retirement that makes a big difference, isn't it? You and I have a good quality of life, the lives of career benefit claimants is just bearable.
I doubt you and I would ever wish to have just the basics in retirement but there are many retirees because of lower wages during their working life who don't have the same quality of life as we do now because they were unable to make the provisions we have made but do not qualify for the benefits available to those who chose a benefits lifestyle choice rather than work.

They are the people I feel most sorry for and it's galling to see those who've contributed least during their lifetime taking/receiving the most in social benefits.
Whatever happened to meritocracy?

We have a duty to protect and support those in our society who though no fault of their own depend upon benefits to get them through life but not the malingerers.
As far as I can see it, Socialism rewards mediocrity which in turn generates apathy...
 
I doubt you and I would ever wish to have just the basics in retirement but there are many retirees because of lower wages during their working life who don't have the same quality of life as we do now because they were unable to make the provisions we have made but do not qualify for the benefits available to those who chose a benefits lifestyle choice rather than work.

They are the people I feel most sorry for and it's galling to see those who've contributed least during their lifetime taking/receiving the most in social benefits.
Whatever happened to meritocracy?

We have a duty to protect and support those in our society who though no fault of their own depend upon benefits to get them through life but not the malingerers.
As far as I can see it, Socialism rewards mediocrity which in turn generates apathy...
I have known quite a few people who had the opportunity to make provision for their retirement but chose not to. They had a philosophy of living for today and worry about the future later. To those, I say, as you sow...
 
I have known quite a few people who had the opportunity to make provision for their retirement but chose not to. They had a philosophy of living for today and worry about the future later. To those, I say, as you sow...
I paid national insurance through my career, turns out I've very little chance of seeing a penny of it back in pension payments as I won't get that far. No doubt it pays to be prudent and plan ahead, but reality is often not quite so straight forward as we'd hope. Pay now or pay later? It's all a bit of a gamble. But there's a lot to be said for living for the moment - the rest is just a projection, a maybe.
 
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What happened to his ‘moral compass?
He never had one.
He systematically lied his way into leadership of the party and broke every pledge he made. He even said he was a socialist, but then set about purging the party of socialists with his campaign of false allegations of antisemitism.
Breath of fresh air seeing Diane Abbott fighting back but the rest of the parliamentary Socialist Campaign Group gave up rather feebly right from the start!
The vague hope amongst many labour supporters was that this was the price of getting into power and that once there things would be different. Very naive!
He is a dull little man with no morals, no convictions, no agenda other than staying in power. Basically a traditional conservative anxious to keep things as they are, unchanged, listening carefully to his establishment sponsors, opposed to party democracy, controlling things in an appallingly authoritarian way.
Authoritarianism is often the resort of the feeble minded if they find themselves in power by accident, like Starmer; weak and completely lacking in political skill. Just one example here: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-this-time-there-must-be-a-change-in-strategy
 
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I have known quite a few people who had the opportunity to make provision for their retirement but chose not to. They had a philosophy of living for today and worry about the future later. To those, I say, as you sow...
Fair enough but why should they get their housing benefit/rent and or council tax etc etc etc paid while the rest of us who did show responsibility for their retirement have to do?
I could have been far better off in retirement putting part of my disposable income into gold and spending the rest frivolously rather than putting my disposable income into savings & pensions. If I'd put my money into gold then when I retired I'd have had nothing showing in the bank and concealed the gold as disposable collateral as and when needed.

That would have entitled me pension credits to the value of many thousands of pounds per year in extra benefits etc on top of my pension and I could have sold off a small quantity of my gold to fund whenever I needed extra cash.

I of course wouldn't have done that on principle but not everyone has the necessary principles and it is where socialism is so highly flawed.
It rewards mediocrity and punishes meritocracy.
The governments of the day always told me to save for my retirement...what they didn't say was that if you don't then don't worry, we'll make up your pension etc so you don't feel left out!
 
I emailed our new Labour MP prior to the vote on the WFA bill, strongly suggesting that he did not support the bill which would affect a large number of the pensioners he represented, I also asked that he did not reply with the usual lame and questionable excuses. He did of course follow the party line and I duly received a standard party letter which was full of bulls**t. It was a general letter as it was also sent to other people I know who had contacted him.

The loss of £300 isn't going to kill us but I have friends and family who will suffer badly and in any case it's just plain morally wrong that any person over the age of 70 & 73 who are on the old pension already £2688 pa less than the one introduced in 2016 and who are most likely to have paid into the system since they were teenagers are going to suffer. The current old pension is £8814 for minimum 30 years contributions and those who have managed, as was encouraged to save and maybe with a small private pension can claim nothing so the 80 and 90 year olds have been thoroughly shafted. Of course if it did kill off 4000 pensioners that would save more than £35m in pensions they wouldn't need to pay, makes you wonder if that was ever discussed. ;)

This was my reply to that letter before all the corruption allegations.


Dear Joe Morris

I appreciate that you are busy and therefore see your reasons for writing only one reply letter so send out to everyone who complained, I know this because I have friends who also wrote to you and received an identical reply. If you had actually read my comments which I seriously doubt you would have taken on board my suggestion that if you replied trotting out the usual garbage excuse then don't reply at all as you would make matters worse.

Your argument regarding the £22b "black hole" and your need to repair it doesn't hold water on several counts. Your justifications would be laughable except that we are definitely not laughing at all.

  • The previous government opened the books to the Labour party several months before the election so saying it was a surprise is blatantly untrue
  • Your party flatly refuses to publish details of this "black hole" which is an indication of a cover up whilst trying to manipulate the figures.
  • For the first time in years your manifesto DID NOT mention winter fuel payments. Anyone with half a brain could see why as it was pre planned.
  • Your statement that the deficit would have increased by 25% is plucking numbers out of the sky
  • The Labour party by giving unjustified and unaffordable pay rises to train drivers already earning £50 - £70k pa and 22% to junior doctors has cost £11b and has significantly increased the deficit in one stroke
  • The pension triple lock was not a Labour policy and was in place and honoured in an attempt to get pensions back on track though they will never catch up and the state pension is below poverty levels
  • You very carefully worded your comment on pension increase to ONLY state the NEW pension. You avoided saying the OLD pension which affects everyone claiming prior to 2016 will receive far less and in fact in April will be around £2800pa less than the new pension. This encompasses virtually every man over the age of 73 and women older than 70. This means you are robbing the oldest, most vulnerable constituents who have paid into the system for the longest time.
  • The party argument that they want 800,000 more eligible pensioners to claim credit is also a lie as you well know that will never happen and are banking on that fact as it would cost far more than you save by removing WFP.
  • The labour party assessment some years ago concluded that removal of winter fuel payment could contribute to the death of 4000 pensioners was superceded by a new assessment which you refuse to publish and initially denied existed. The conclusions drawn are very obvious
  • You comment about Warm Homes Scheme is party spin. It's only available for band A to D and millions of pensioners are out of those bands and can't claim anything despite being unable to afford additional insulation. We are additionally paying well over average in council tax and as that increases by the maximum allowed every year without fail the gap continues to rise as it's percentage based increase.
  • In a similar vein millions of us are not able to claim the LA based household support you suggested.


My initial assessment of you as my new MP is that as the published data states you voted against the bill you are either in favour of removing the winter fuel payment or are a wimp who is too afraid of the party to vote and protect the thousands of pensioners you now represent. We have the misfortune to have inherited you as our new MP and regrettably are stuck with you for 5 years but at the end of it you can be certain you will be kicked out as we have very long memories so don't bother canvassing at my door, you will never get my vote in future as you have revealed your true colours.
 
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Fair enough but why should they get their housing benefit/rent and or council tax etc etc etc paid while the rest of us who did show responsibility for their retirement have to do?
That's life. Nobody said it was going to be fair (as my dear old Mum used to say to us when we were kids). Better to look on the bright side than continually ponder on the unfairness of it all. That way just leads to ulcers and an early grave.

Come on over to the "Gotten" thread if you want to argue about something really important 😉.
 
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Fair enough but why should they get their housing benefit/rent and or council tax etc etc etc paid while the rest of us who did show responsibility for their retirement have to do?
I could have been far better off in retirement putting part of my disposable income into gold and spending the rest frivolously rather than putting my disposable income into savings & pensions. If I'd put my money into gold then when I retired I'd have had nothing showing in the bank and concealed the gold as disposable collateral as and when needed.

That would have entitled me pension credits to the value of many thousands of pounds per year in extra benefits etc on top of my pension and I could have sold off a small quantity of my gold to fund whenever I needed extra cash.

I of course wouldn't have done that on principle but not everyone has the necessary principles and it is where socialism is so highly flawed.
It rewards mediocrity and punishes meritocracy.
The governments of the day always told me to save for my retirement...what they didn't say was that if you don't then don't worry, we'll make up your pension etc so you don't feel left out!
You are a bit obsessed about this. Maybe you need to talk to somebody about your obsessions? 🤣
What is your opinion of "single-mothers-on-benefits"? :unsure:
 
That's life. Nobody said it was going to be fair (as my dear old Mum used to say to us when we were kids). Better to look on the bright side than continually ponder on the unfairness of it all. That way just leads to ulcers and an early grave.

Come on over to the "Gotten" thread if you want to argue about something really important 😉.
It doesn't give me ulcers I assure you but contrary to what you may think, it is important to those who've been on low wages most of their life but have still contributed to the taxes the government spends on the lazy and workshy!
They may have earned/saved just barely over the minimum but it is enough for them to be excluded from receiving the very benefits which the benefit lovers receive as a right! because of their self inflicted circumstances.
 
You are a bit obsessed about this. Maybe you need to talk to somebody about your obsessions? 🤣
What is your opinion of "single-mothers-on-benefits"? :unsure:
Not obsessed, simply pointing out that socialism is a dreadful ideology which rewards mediocrity and punishes meritocracy.

As for single mothers on benefits, I've already asked you for the figures which shows how much they contribute financially to the system. Would you like to produce those as I'm sure it would make interesting reading?
 
That's life. Nobody said it was going to be fair (as my dear old Mum used to say to us when we were kids). Better to look on the bright side than continually ponder on the unfairness of it all. That way just leads to ulcers and an early grave.

Come on over to the "Gotten" thread if you want to argue about something really important 😉.
In a well functioning society, individuals within it have both rights and obligations. The right is the support of society in times of need. The obligation is to contribute (where possible) to society to allow it to function as it should.

Expecting society to support those capable but failing to contribute is fundamentally wrong. It is unfair to those who do properly play their part, and arguably immoral - similar to paying a thief to stop stealing.

It inappropriately feeds a culture of entitlement, and like any other parasite they may ultimately destroy the society on which it feeds.

Those failing in their reasonable obligations towards society should be denied its benefits. That the outcome will cause them real distress is tough, but a failure to do so will simply perpetuate their anti-social behaviours.
 
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