Jacob":1xigwl21 said:Really? Where, why?custard":1xigwl21 said:...
But here's the catch. A fair percentage of those rebates will be stopped rather than through rebates. ...
Off the top of my head:custard":1c8x6lah said:Jacob":1c8x6lah said:Really? Where, why?custard":1c8x6lah said:...
But here's the catch. A fair percentage of those rebates will be stopped rather than through rebates. ...
Stopped groove. A panel let into a leg.
Stopped housing. A drawer chest with solid sides.
Stopped rebate. A dovetailed cabinet carcase.
As do the Stanley #50/Record #050 combination planes. But I do like the look of the knicker on this new plane - it looks much easier to use....None of these planes are suited to plane cross grain as they do not have a nicker to prevent spelching. So enter combo planes such as the Stanley #45, and now the Veritas Combo...
Vann":hbnkvx6z said:I do like the look of the knicker on this new plane - it looks much easier to use.
My point is - you don't need to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid a stopped rebates, it's easy to design out at the beginning. If you find you need a stopped rebate you have made a design mistake - unless you are a stone mason!custard":37bqahpp said:Wot Bob said!
Knocknock, you're just confirming my original point about, "makers would go to extraordinary lengths to try and minimise the incidence of stopped rebates".
Back in the real world of trying to earn a living from furniture making, I'm going to reach for a Festool OF1400 every single time, it's probably cheaper than this plough!
Cheshirechappie":1qy7k9v5 said:I'm not convinced that a combination plane would be good for rebating - it's got no sole.
I've used one for ploughing (which it did well) but never for anything else. Anybody tried rebating with one?
That was what I meant when I posed my question above: as a pro you've made a pretty good case for the (probable) advantages of the Veritas but you're nonetheless not convinced that it's worth laying down your hard earned cash for it. This is perhaps a bit ironic because it looks like it's designed to meet professional requirements but it is perhaps likely to be predominantly bought by amateurs who can afford to indulge in their hobby.custard":3dfbcz9e said:Vann":3dfbcz9e said:I do like the look of the knicker on this new plane - it looks much easier to use.
I think you're right. I've generally found that to be the Achilles Heal of older multi-planes, along with the locking screws.
This is the Stanley 55 that lives in my workshop. As a means of entertainment while waiting for a glue-up to set, it absolutely has no equal. But as a route to hitting a deadline or delivering quality work? Not so much.
Despite plenty of fiddling I've never been able to get the nickers to work consistently or line up exactly with the main cutter, which means the cross grain results are pretty rubbish. However, Derek's housings look as clean as a whistle. The other failing with the 55 is I need to nip everything up with a pair of pliers for it to stay put...and I'm not feeble fingered! Whereas, a pound to a penny, I bet that Veritas tool will lock down tight with just a modest tweak.
Still way too expensive for me, but I wouldn't necessarily try and substitute with an older equivalent either. But hey ho, each to their own, and as I said, for pure entertainment value a super-duper plough knocks Angry Birds into a cocked hat!
Andy Kev.":6u9t84yc said:That was what I meant when I posed my question above: as a pro you've made a pretty good case for the (probable) advantages of the Veritas but you're nonetheless not convinced that it's worth laying down your hard earned cash for it. This is perhaps a bit ironic because it looks like it's designed to meet professional requirements but it is perhaps likely to be predominantly bought by amateurs who can afford to indulge in their hobby.
Absolutely. It's for wealthy amateurs. A pro would use a spindle - cheapest, fastest and most accurate way to do very many things.Andy Kev.":38x7w1j4 said:...... it looks like it's designed to meet professional requirements but it is perhaps likely to be predominantly bought by amateurs who can afford to indulge in their hobby.
Cheshirechappie":211nie67 said:I'm not convinced that a combination plane would be good for rebating - it's got no sole.
I've used one for ploughing (which it did well) but never for anything else. Anybody tried rebating with one?
Or simpler - use any rebate plane, without any accessories attached, and make the cut both ways, to gauge or knifed lines.... the secret to clean housings across the grain - whether a dado or rebate - is the alignment of the nicker with the blade. .....
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