New style ( Test ) FOR SALE

[paulm]

I really can't see why this causes some members here so much of a problem.
Bob

Neither can I Bob.

Seems to me some people are just intent on stirring up trouble and looking for a rise or argument, they must be pretty bored, or maybe they are unhappy with their lot in life and feel better if they try and make others unhappy, who knows.

Anyway, life is too short to get sucked into all that, don't feed the trolls and all that I suppose, detracts a bit from the friendly nature of the forum a bit though which is a shame.

Cheers, Paul

 

[Digit]

Neither can I bob.

Roy.

 

[wizer]

Trouble making as far as I can see it. I haven't been too vocal because people will probably accuse me of sticking up for a mate, what with Blister being local. But I just can't see what he's done wrong. I genuinely think Allen has done everything by the book. Whether or not he is a trader is a grey area. I can vouch for the fact he has a day job (well night job really). If he's not taken part in the forum for a while it's because he's been without a workshop whilst re-building it. As he's explained many times before, he buys out full workshops of kit, keeps what he needs and then passes the rest on to us on the forum. He never gives anyone priority or 'mates rates' (I can vouch for that too :lol: ) and I can't see how he has over talked anything he has sold. Anyone with an ounce of sense will google the item and pay what they think it's worth. Allen hasn't forced anyone to buy anything, nor has he misled. He's sold that much here that someone would have come forward to complain about him by now if he was some sort of conman.

I realise he got people's backs up by rather forcedly asking for no chit chat in his For Sale thread. Well I agree he has no place to dictate what thread members can and can't post in. But I share he's thoughts over threads going way off topic and effectively making a joke out of what should be a short 'advertisement' and then correspondence specifically about the sale. Perhaps a new rule needs to be in place to protect these threads from the charade the last two have become. They shouldn't be allowed to go that far. I don't like the constant swiping at each other that is going on here. Even I feel reluctant to come here lately. Biting ones tongue becomes painful, eventually. There are other options to those who are not happy either with the majority membership or the way this forum is run. Constant belly aching isn't particularly positive, is it?

 

[head clansman]

hi

Blister clearly has a day job as a driver and AIUI just passes on bits and pieces that come his way and does not need for his own workshop.

I understand Martin is a collector of tools who also passes on the odd item that is surplus to his collection.

just about most members understanding of blister on here , he buys up job lots of tools and then sales off the one he doesn't want for his own workshop if he has a lathe and a better one comes along then he sells off the previous and so on till he get his work shop up and running nothing wrong with that at all.

I understand Martin is a collector and sells off some items surplus to his self , again nothing wrong with that either , in fact good luck to them both and any one else who wishes to sell off tools here on this forum giving other member here the chance to bye first before going to e bay and pay over inflated prices driven by shear greed.

the tools that i have seen sold here by either member have always been quality tools they have had there hands snatch off within minutes with Pm's so i guess there must be a market for second hand tools here on this forum , even seen arguments about who got the first pm sent in , i see this as a service to forum members, I hope it runs on and on good luck to all who wish to sell tools here. hc

 

[jimi43]

=D>

Bravo Tom, HC...says it all eloquently!

Jim

 

[Jake]

I don't care if Blister is a dealer (he is to my mind, he is clearly making a profit from the membership here, even that is just to subsidise his own tool purchases). Strictly it is probably against the rules on advertising etc, but then so is a lot of the selling that goes on.

What I don't like is the attempts to shut down perfectly legitimate discussion on here. If Rutlands posted on here and demanded that no criticism should be made of them or the products they are selling they would get very short shrift. Same goes (I hope) for some of the one-man band companies who trade on here. Blister is either just an ordinary member or a part-time sole trader but I don't think that either gives him any right to demand other members not comment on his threads.

On and it seems to me that a lot of the friction comes when someone posts something which doesn't accord with a certain clique's views, at which point out out rush all the usual suspects with heated nonsense and wild accusations.

Having different views or perspectives, even if they seem controversial, is not the making of a troll and those kind of childish accusations are causing a lot of heat and making this forum a very narrow church.

The only troll I've seen recently was. Oh, better not start that. :wink:

 

[Mike.C]

Hi Mike C,
Is that trader as in part time tool dealer? :?:
Martin

Hi Martin

Once again I find myself apologizing for something I have said. #-o ](*,) even though I did not know I was saying anything wrong in the first place.
Martin I truly had no idea that you were a collector or that you sell on the odd item that is surplus to requirements.

I still believe that the rules state that traders/dealers cannot sell their products on here, but I maybe wrong, or I may have misread them. But when I answered your question above above I in no way meant you, because (1) I did not know you were a collector, and (2) I would not class your sort of selling as being a trader.

Again I am sorry if my post was taken the wrong way and I offended you.

promhandicam wrote;

mahking51 wrote:
. . . Just wondering if one of the mods could clarify . . .

Sorry but can you explain?

This post has been edited because the only part that matters was my message to Martin

Cheers

Mike

 

[ByronBlack]

I can't believe all this energy over something so minor.

Allen is a top guy, he hasn't sold me anything (yet) - I've actually sold him a few bits and have had the pleasure of meeting him on more than one occasion, and have to say that everyone should get of his back, let him do what he wants with regards his posts and enjoy the fruits of his sales.

He is clearly not a trader, and his posts are not against any 'rules'

I actually find the buying/selling between members one of the more positive aspects of this forum, between myself, Tom and Allen we could have probably financed our own tool based hedge fund - and it's perfectly ok and fun, we all get to meet each other, have a natter and flog stuff to each other.

Martin - If you have stuff to sell, definitely post it up, i'm sure there are many of us who would be interested to see what you are selling on.

 

[studders]

have to say that everyone should get of his back, let him do what he wants with regards his posts and enjoy the fruits of his sales.

.

Really?

If that's the case then lets apply the same courtesy to all members.

 

[Sportique]

yes, really

 

[ByronBlack]

have to say that everyone should get of his back, let him do what he wants with regards his posts and enjoy the fruits of his sales.

.

Really?

If that's the case then lets apply the same courtesy to all members.

I have no idea what that is in reference too as I've missed a lot of threads, but absolutely it should be extended to every member.

 

[wizer]

have to say that everyone should get of his back, let him do what he wants with regards his posts and enjoy the fruits of his sales.

.

Really?

If that's the case then lets apply the same courtesy to all members.

I'm happy to go along with that, if you are.

 

[studders]

yes, really

So it's OK with you if I start a thread, express opinions and state that replies and comments on them are not wanted?
That would make for one very odd Forum don't you think?

 

[jimi43]

have to say that everyone should get of his back, let him do what he wants with regards his posts and enjoy the fruits of his sales.

.

Really?

If that's the case then lets apply the same courtesy to all members.

I have no idea what that is in reference too as I've missed a lot of threads, but absolutely it should be extended to every member.

I totally agree with this sentiment. I love the sales items...even if I don't want what's on offer...it's nice to browse and window shop. It is also a learning exercise which is what I do most on FleaBay.

I think rules are to be interpreted for the intent for which they were written. Blatant abuse is fairly easy to spot.

Blister's only sin is frequency...and if it benefits the members..which it clearly does...then I guess it is being interpreted as frequent private sales.

I for one hope they don't cease.

Jim

 

[studders]

Really?

If that's the case then lets apply the same courtesy to all members.

I'm happy to go along with that, if you are.

I'm not though, as I've already stated but, if that is the decision of the Majority then I cannot ignore it provided, as said, the same rules apply to everyone.

 

[wizer]

I thought we were talking about courtesy, not rules? By now I would have thought the mods have made their decision. Were you under the impression we were part of a democratic society?

 

[promhandicam]

. . .
promhandicam wrote;

mahking51 wrote:
. . . Just wondering if one of the mods could clarify . . .

Sorry but can you explain?

Cheers

Mike

In case I've missed something, you aren't a moderator.

 

[promhandicam]

hi promhandicam, strange thought i had commented on his generosity of giving it away , I don't seem to remember saying nothing about being a trader did i :?:

Apologies HC

 

[Mike.C]

. . .
promhandicam wrote;

mahking51 wrote:
. . . Just wondering if one of the mods could clarify . . .

Sorry but can you explain?

Cheers

Mike

In case I've missed something, you aren't a moderator.

So I am not aloud to comment now? I never claimed to be a moderator.

Mike

promhanicam wrote'

Mike.C wrote:
As Miles has said there is no problem with a member selling things on the forum, just as long as you are not a trader


or called Blister
_________________

Get your facts straight before you mouth it off. I have never said that Blister is a trader. In fact I have continually said from the start that IMHO he is not.

Mike

 

[miles_hot]

Good grief - all this seems to come down to Bister's (and one or maybe two others) comments on For Sale threads to the effect that any comments should be via PM etc.

From all that I've read it appears that
1) the general perception is that anyone should be "allowed" to comment on any thread and that OPs shouldn't intimate that such discussion should not be entered into. Noting of course that there is absolutely nothing that can stop that happening anyway
2) for sale threads are a good thing and anyone should be able to post such threads - even / especially if they're Blister
3) the Mods (praise be to the Mods) have ruled that Blister is doing nothing wrong

We seem to be covering the same old ground here - going around and around over the 3 items above.

Miles