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[Hypnotic Chimera]

Well neither does charging about waving a samurai sword, per se!

LOL

Good discussion point -

- samurai swords are produced for one reason, as a weapon with which to kill - whereas cars are made for one reason as a mode of personal transportation, designed to travel at any arbitrary speed.

- should we ban table saws/band saws, or limit the blade speed, etc?

- propose that 30mph and 40 mph are the sacrosanct areas that ought to be highly enforced (provided they are properly designated!) whereas travelling at an arbitrary speed down a well sighted country lane, on a fine clear dry day, is "safe".

 

[NickDReed]

Oh back to vacuous 'just be open minded'. See sadistic murderers and cannibals - I have heard there are specialist forums for the latter at least (where some German guy is said to have found a volunteer to be eaten). All good right, imbibing a bit of that will just make one better educated and with a broader spectrum of views to take into account?

We are in the cold phase of a war to preserve western democracy against the rise of authoritarian power, and I do think it is incumbent on good citizens to think about what (mis and dis) information they are listening to and spreading. However, no-one is actually going to censor it out of existence (and who could, unless perhaps they had moderator powers I suppose).

So the suggestion is that reading Mein Kampf is akin to murder and cannibalism?

Baffling!

We know better than cannibals and mass murderers, right? We think we know better and that it is in their (and our) best interest not to be able to eat and sadistically kill some of the rest of us. They obviously disagree but there is a democratic consensus that they should not be able to exercise their freedom of choice.

 

[Jake]

So the suggestion is that reading Mein Kampf is akin to murder and cannibalism?

Baffling!

You so open minded guys seem to be very closed minded when it comes to arguing by analogy and extrapolation. I'm not sure I see that much difference between the ravings of Hitler and the writings of drooling wannabe cannibals.

Personally I'm at peace with reading neither because both would be a complete waste of my time. I don't think that makes me not open minded to anything reasonable, just not so open minded that my brain fell out.

 

[NickDReed]

You so open minded guys seem to be very closed minded when it comes to arguing by analogy and extrapolation. I'm not sure I see that much difference between the ravings of Hitler and the writings of drooling wannabe cannibals.

Personally I'm at peace with reading neither because both would be a complete waste of my time. I don't think that makes me not open minded to anything reasonable, just not so open minded that my brain fell out.

Its not that I'm closed minded to your analogy, it's that it doesn't make sense!

Reading Mein Kampf will not make you want to annihilate a particular race or religion, just as reading the ramblings of a cannibal will not make you want to eat a man. You're free not to read them, but others should be free to if they so choose. That doesn't mean either choice makes you more or less open minded.

 

[Chris152]

Reading Mein Kampf will not make you want to annihilate a particular race or religion

Well, Adolf hoped it would.

 

[Jacob]

Its not that I'm closed minded to your analogy, it's that it doesn't make sense!

Reading Mein Kampf will not make you want to annihilate a particular race or religion,

Not per se, but at the margin of a sufficiently large cohort of readers there will be those who are influenced. Much more so if the book is presented to them as a component of wider fascist propaganda, which most certainly it often is.
n.b. it isn't banned - it's freely available for anybody to read, so there is no issue of "authoritarian" censorship.

 

[Jacob]

So the suggestion is that reading Mein Kampf is akin to murder and cannibalism?

Baffling!

Stupid comment.

 

[Thingybob]

It is quite revealing that Sir K has apparently accepted in excess of £40k in gratuities, just since becoming PM. Nice work if you can get it.
And he has agreed to repay a few grand, how very generous of him.
So much for an end to Tory style sleaze.

They are all the b£@@d√ same we are the gun fodder they tax us good job if you can get it

 

[Jacob]

.........

My position is that any ruling party/person that wants to subjugate you is reliant on you not questioning things until you're already in chains.....

Or alternatively, if they have saved you from self harm they may be hoping that you appreciate the fact, be grateful and recognise the error of your ways.
Now much to late to do anything about climate change, we should have subjugated the stupid bas-tards sceptics a long way back!
Nigel Lawson; fancy allowing that ridiculous buffoon so much air time!
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...r-interview-climate-sceptic-lord-nigel-lawson

 

[Yorkieguy]

They are all the b£@@d√ same we are the gun fodder they tax us good job if you can get it

Below is the 'wrap sheet'. It smacks of 'fiddling while Rome Burns', or 'Let then eat Cake'.

'The more he talked of his honour - the faster I counted my spoons'.

(Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1803 - 1882).

Disgraceful.