Nev":3iqxourt said:
Yep. Thermostatic radiator valve or in laymans terms the big turney knob with the numbers on
Ah - why didn't you say that ?
Ok, so in the morning i'll zero all the big turney knobs with numbers upstairs and see what happens downstairs - I can feel when a rad needs bleeding and is a bit of an obvious test retrospectively (still way too clever for me though)
Lons":3iqxourt said:
He's not much cop as a c/h installer / plumber by the sound of it! The fact you have had major leaks would make me more than a little suspicious.
First leak I can sympathise with - changing pipes to the hot water tank when one of the fittings on the tank broke (reputedly) - **** (ooh look, ukw changed my rude word) happens to even the best
Second leak - plumber removed front of pump and water gushed everywhere - he swears he turned the shutoff valve - whatever, this damaged the pump electrics and required another one which he fitted after draining the pipes first
Lons":3iqxourt said:
My immediate thought was that you have microbore but your photo suggests not however the same fault might be the cause and that is a possible "high spot" in the pipework which is trapping air and causing a lock which could be the reason you're bleeding air from the bottom valve which shouldn't happen as the air would normally rise to the top of the rad.
Nah, standard 15mm been in situ for 15 years and the air thing is what prompted the post
Lons":3iqxourt said:
Existing pipework or not, the plumber may have installed the new boiler, pump and diverter valve incorrectly. Sounds like an extensive installation with a new header tank as well.
Weeelllll, first plumber had to return day after fitting as the boiler kept tripping with an error code and he swapped over the two pipes that go into (or out of) the boiler saying he'd got them the wrong way round - I didn't call him a tool cos they're actually useful
Lons":3iqxourt said:
Has the position of the new pump changed from the previous one? It could well be sucking air into the system from a porous soldered or compression joint. These generally don't leak water so are hard to find.
Pump looks to be in the same place and I have often wondered about air being brought in as I have to bleed certain rads each autumn when the heating gets turned back on I often have to bleed the pump when I hear it (running dry I assume)
Lons":3iqxourt said:
The other possibility though unlikely due to the air being present is that the TRVs on the radiators are directional (most are now bi-directional) and have been fitted to the return instead of flow side of the rads.
Possible if the first plumber had actually done things right the first and then wrongly corrected it on his second visit ?
Lons":3iqxourt said:
My only other concern is why so much crud in the pipework? It should have been well flushed through before installing new boiler, pump etc as it will shorten their life.
Plumber #3 intimated as much and a power flush was mentioned (Sunday) but he may well have been abducted by aliens now for all we know
Lons":3iqxourt said:
I've assumed that because of the header tank, you have a standard boiler and not a combi which would be a sealed system. (If you are draining water from a sealed system without re-filling manually you will introduce significant amount of air and risk damage to the boiler and pump).
Ok, I understand that so mustn't be combi as the system fills back up again - must have removed about 20 gallon today and we only have 10 rads throughout
Quite a comprehensive reply Bob, thanks for taking the time and thanks to everyone else who has commented