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stuart little
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Jacob
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stuart little
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OMG!Matthew 7:7. "Seek, and ye shall find": Duckie, The Royal Vauxhall Tavern
Jacob
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Sounds like just what we need in these troubled times.OMG!
Artie and Monster should get down there and let their hair down, if they could get past Father and Jaycloth!
It sounds a fabulous place, a bit of history:-
In the 1980s, The RVT became known as ‘The Palladium of Drag’ with stars such as Paul O’Grady as Lily Savage who had an 8 year, 4 times a week residency, Hinge & Brackett, Diana Dors, Regina Fong, Adrella, The Trollettes and Lola Lasagne. In the late 1990s Jonathan Hellyer’s residency as The Dame Edna Experience graced the RVT stage for 18 years playing to a packed out, at capacity audiences every Sunday and Bank Holiday weekends. It is also the venue that Freddie Mercury and Kenny Everett reportedly took Princess Diana for a night out in disguise and Dame Helen Mirren brought her godson for a relaxed family night out.
If thats your actual bike triton, send me your address and I'll buy you one of those flipout bike stands, they are more reliable than twigs
Only on sundays!Are you suggesting that they should wear their unwashed underpants over their faces? Is that what they do in Cornwall?
Here in devon we do it on saturday night, just so you can work out whos cornish and who's devonian
It's not my actual actual bike, just a pic from the web. But it is the same year(2022), model and colour as mine.If thats your actual bike triton, send me your address and I'll buy you one of those flipout bike stands, they are more reliable than twigs
Mine is all covered in dirt and panniers and stuff. That one at least looks clean.
I wouldn't have a flip out stand even if it was being bought for me. Hideous things. Too reminiscent of nasty 70's commuters.
Pineapple
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I have an 800 Watt mobility scooter...DVLA have registered the VIN. & Issued a V5C Log-Book with a Registration Number which doesn't have to be displayed. It is Electrically-Propelled so Road-Tax is Free & Automatically Renewed each year. I have a driving licence, but I don't really need one to ride it...Insurance is Optional. Crash Helmet is not required. It has a top speed of 8mph.
Regarding skateboards, rollerblades & electric scooters & electric cycles ...etc. - - - I think that it is high time that DVLA were Dragged - Kicking & Screaming if necessary, into the 21st century ! - I live in a very hilly area so I bought a 500 Watt Electric bicycle, so that I could go up hills on it. It has a top-speed of 20mph.
It cost me £2000.oo but DVLA have turned it into a white elephant by declaring it a "MOPED" It needs an MOT test done by a special DVSA test examiner.
It will need Registration, Number-Plates, Lights & Indicators, Insurance & a Crash-Helmet........They have made it Effectively Unuseable. ( and unsellable too ! )
REFER TO = Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance
It’s unfortunate that you have a bike you can’t use but frankly I think the ebike limitations are absolutely fine as they are. I certainly don’t want to see ebike that are powered by the users thumb rather than providing pedalling assistance. Those higher powered and non pedalling ebike are to all intents and purposes mopeds so need to remain in that same category. Can you imagine the carnage caused by unlicensed ebike/mopeds on shared use cycleways?
For the eBike you might be able to modify it reduce its power to 250w, but it just shows how silly the rules are. And what is the reason for requiring pedals? It automatically disqualifies electric scooters, skateboards, etc. for no good reason. Why isn't the speed limit of 15mph good enough?
They pretend they are interested in green transportation and saving the climate, but what they are really interested in is controlling what people are allowed to do.
As paul said though, there has to be a line.... there will always be people who want the line moved! But no, if a 20mph ebike isnt covered by the rules, neither is a pit bike or monkey bike ( i got chased a few times when i was in my 20s )
)I am fine with limits if they are directly related to safety. Currently, an electric bike is limited to 25kmh. That seems reasonable, but I don't really see any safety benefit to require pedals, or to limit the wattage to something so small. What if you live in a hilly area like Pineapple? What if you have a cargo bike and use it to haul the kids to school? or for shopping? What if you have a bad knee and can't pedal? When the DVLA is getting involved in licensing mobility scooters, it kind of tells you there is a problem, no?
An ebike is only supposed to provide assistance. It is not supposed to provide all the power. On a legal ebike you have to be turning the pedels for the electric motor to provide assistance. Any ebike with a throttle (thumb switch or twist grip) is not actually an ebike. This is why the eScooters were such a big issue when they started showing up. They had to introduce temporary law changes to permit them in the trials. Because they have a throttle they are classed as motorised vehicles and can not be used on cycle paths etc.
I'm all for the power assist ebikes but absolutely against the ebikes with a throttle. They are motor bikes, albeit the motor is electric. The problem is that people have a completely different attitude when on something with a throttle vs them providing some of the motive force. With a throttle the tendency is to crank it wide open all the time, where as with an assisted bike it's only topping up what you provide.
I am struggling to understand the logic that if you are not pedaling and have a throttle then somehow it is more dangerous. Because you are not going to be able to control yourself and are going to go full speed (15 mph) all the time? But somehow if you have pedals then you are magically going to be transformed into a responsible rider? That is just silly.
The law is arbitrary, and the arrival of e-scooters has shown why. FWIW in Saskatchewan the limit for an electric bicycle is 500w, you don't have to pedal, and it cannot go faster than 32km/h on level ground. You need to be 14 or over to ride one and you need a helmet, but other than that, they are treated no different than a regular bicycle. No driving license or registration required (and no tax).
Statistically, they are probably less dangerous then push bikes because you have to wear a helmet. Thinking about it, it would be huge step forward if they made e-scooters under 15mph legal with the proviso that you have to wear a helmet to ride one.
sploo
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I can understand the logic that an eBike is supposed to supplement your effort rather than supply the propulsion (hence only applying power when you spin the pedals). Well, unless you're trying to cheat at the Tour de France, obviously
Blackswanwood
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I guess however the criteria is set for what constitutes which category of bike there will be different opinions. The current criteria looks pretty easy to follow and logical to me.
I get both sides of the argument...
When i was a lot younger, those minimotos where just coming out, so i bought 2 ( 1 for me, 1 for my girlfriend ) we could fit both in the boot of my car. She lived in chichester and we used to take them to slindon pits for a whizz around. And sometimes multistory carparks at night time
and i got chased along the road from chichester to bognor regis by a copper . When he stopped us ( it wasnt the first time we'd been pulled ) he went off on one about no insurance, no tax, no mot etc etc.... i apologised, said we would push them home and he let us off. As soon as he was out if sight, we got back on and whizzed around again.And thats the point. They were harmless. If i hit a car, it might dent the car but i wouldnt hurt the passengers. It'd do a lot if damage to me in my sunglasses having fun with my knees up around my ears
but where do you draw the line? Its a powered vehicle. The law has to apply.We actually speed tested them, highly scientific ( i throttled it open while a mate followed behind in a chavved out escort ) i hit 43mph ish
Any powered vehicle on a public road has to be regulated.
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