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Tim Nott

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I've had a sub to Taunton's Fine Woodworking for a while but am thinking of cancelling as it seems to be less and less interesting "Tune up your tablesaw - Again!"
What's good in UK mags? I live in France so visiting a UK newsagent is un peu difficile

Tim
 
Hi,

I've just cancelled The Woodworker and Good Woodwork because they don't seem to deliver much of interest. GW was becoming too much like a DIY mag and Thw Woodworker was just repetitive.

I still take Furniture and Cabinetmaker which I think has a combination of aspiration and higher levels of work.

regards
Alan
 
beech1948":26emkse3 said:
The Woodworker and Good Woodwork

Diabolical publications IMHO

I am a British Woodworking and Furniture and Cabinetmaking groupie

I also take Popular Woodworking and Fine Woodworking
 
There are lots of people here who will tell you how good British Woodworking is. But then again, half of the forum's population is in the current issue!

That doesn't mean it's not true, of course.

And yes, I do have a vested interest. :)

S
 
wizer":3rdwstly said:
beech1948":3rdwstly said:
The Woodworker and Good Woodwork

Diabolical publications IMHO

I am a British Woodworking and Furniture and Cabinetmaking groupie

Same here. Having had a swift perusal through the others on the shelves in WHS on a Sat morning F&C and BW are the only ones worth subscribing to IMHO - Rob
 
beech1948 said:
Hi,

I've just cancelled The Woodworker and Good Woodwork

and
I still take Furniture and Cabinetmaker which I think has a combination of aspiration and higher levels of work.

Just so the quote is accurate since 2 people mis quoted it.
Alan
 
I'm a subscriber (and contributor! :wink: ) to British Woodworking and I still enjoy reading Good Wood. I tried F&C for a year but didn't see enough in it for me, personally. I'm currently 'trialling' The Woodworker for a year.
 
Everyone appears to be cancelling their subscription to Good Woodworking the month I appear in it!!!

Any other magazines out there want to be ruined? I'm cheap....:D

Mike :
 
Cancelled mine to GW aswell - was getting very repetitive. Sorry!!
 
I think it's a reflection of the 'sound-bite' world we've become used to? I flicked through F&C recently in WHS and probably got 90% of the content with a skim-read so sitting down to read it would have been a disappointment. There doesn't seem to be any in-depth articles in any of these magazines - something to sit and enjoy reading - or is it just me? I'd also like to see some impartial reviews (where they haven't been loaned the tools by the manufacturer) to get a real idea of the quality - or not - of some of the tools out there.

Brian
 
Mike Garnham":e2fgrbb9 said:
Everyone appears to be cancelling their subscription to Good Woodworking the month I appear in it!!!

Any other magazines out there want to be ruined? I'm cheap....:D

Mike :

Don't worry Mike I've been in GW too so you're not alone in feeling that way. :cry:
 
TBH the main reason for buying F&C is that it normally contains a lot of furniture which I aspire to make. Except for a few unfortunate articles, it seems to be aimed at fine furniture and not the DIY market. BWW contains good solid, interesting articles which I enjoy to read. Fair enough they all contain the same old "New innovative method in cutting dovetails" (which is nothing newer than the last time they aired a dovetail article), but this is what magazines have to do. A large percentage of the readership are hobbiests and if you are new to a hobby, then these articles are valuable.
 
I have to be a bit careful what I say here, as an occasional contributor to F&C...

What I can say is that I don't subscribe to any magazines as I find that even the best of them can become repetitive over time. I also agree with BJM's comments that a 5 minute flick through a mag in WHS is enough in most cases.

In my view the internet has changed the landscape for these type of magazines as I suspect most of us feel we get a lot of what they used to provide online.

Cheers, Ed
 
bjm":gy2ejx3y said:
I'd also like to see some impartial reviews (where they haven't been loaned the tools by the manufacturer)

Hi bjm

This is a common point of view put forward by many people who think that reviewers are in hoc to the manufacturers. We say it time and time again, but it seems we are yet to be believed, that reviewers DO write impartial reviews, and they are not always on things provided by the manufacturer or retailer. Often they are, yes, but not always. I have written reviews for things I've bought at full retail price before now.

Even things I've written reviews for where I've been loaned or, occasionally given, have rarely been without criticism. You see, we are human, and we have a conscience. Why on earth would I, or any of my jounalist colleagues, say "This is good" when inside we are thinking "This is not good" Is it so the the manufacturer of the nos-so-good item is so pleased that they send me more sot-so-good tools to use in my workshop? And am I really supposed to spend my hard-earned cash to buy all the new tools on the market, just to find out how good they are so that readers don't waste their money? What do I then do with the duff stuff?

Testing tools takes time, and journalism is not a well-paid profession. I have better things to do with my time than fabricate some review and destroy my own credibility. If I say something is good it is because it is good, not because my integrity has been bought off.

What you don't see are the tests that say "this is rubbish, don't buy it". I agree that it would be helpful to readers, but it doesn't make for a good read! When I'm critical I just keep my mouth shut (yes, I know that sounds far-fetched, but I can do it if forced). I've been sent things to review which just gather dust, even though I'd like to stay on good terms with the manufacturer. I can think of one product where I really do rate the manufacturer generally, but not for this particular product.

When we "media types" as I was recently, and not kindly, called, get together, this subject often crops up. A group of us went to Festool in Germany in April, which is why there is a flurry of Festool publicity in recent mags. It was 4 days of my time, no-one paid me for going and no-one has paid me to write about it. I've written, honestly, about some aspects of the trip, and if any of it gets published in the future, I will receive some financial remuneration. If it doesn't I won't.

As it happened, I enjoyed the trip even though it was knackering. I also made a useful contact who wants to publish some of my work abroad, so for me it was worth going.

I write this to say, yes again, that those of us who put our hearts and souls into producing material, month after month, for the benefit of the woodworking community, and for a very modest return (regardless of whether you are a jobbing journalist or an Editor-in-Chief) find it very frustrating - and occasionally offensive - when people imply that we are not writing the truth, simply because we have not paid for the item we are reviewing.

If I say something is good it is because I think it is good, OK?

Cheers
an exasperated, but not, at this stage anyway, offended,
Steve
 
imho all of the mags have a limited attention span threshold, and over time I just lose interest. And I just try another mag for a while.

I have noticed over the years there seems to a cycle to these mags, where one mag publishes a series of articles, and then a bit later on another mag does the same articles (a few small tweaks & differences), but essentially the same articles.

F & C is not quite as good as it used to be recently imho, but I'll give it another couple of months or so to see if it improves, if not I'll try the American mags again, which I think are much better than the UK ones.
 
Steve

I'm sure that all input into these, and other, magazines is done with the utmost degree of integrity and I don't wish to imply otherwise. My concern with reviewing something that you have received, rather than purchased, is the human element of accentuating the positives and downplaying the negatives - intentional or not. 'Which' magazine has a policy of never accepting anything for review to address that element of potential bias. I understand the financial aspects of this but I do get a bit cynical with some reviews.

Personally, I think the purpose of a review should be to highlight a products weaknesses. I'm sure it would ultimately serve the manufacturers in order to make improvements to their goods (for those who truly value their customers). I see it in other areas; a new product gets released and the media gives it glowing reviews - read user forums and all the niggly faults come to light! It happens on this forum.


Brian
 
Brian

The reason I didn't take offence is because I inferred from the way you wrote that you did not intend offence, so we have no issue there.

But to equate the average woody mad (or indeed an exceptional woody mag) with Which? magazine is fanciful. The market, the circulation the budget - all are in different leagues. I'm sure any woody mag editor would give their eye teeth for those sort of resources, but it's simply not the real world.

If I write a review of a tool, and it occupies, say half a page or a page, if it gets published (and there is no guarantee that it will) then I may receive £50 OR £100. Would you, or anyone you know, sell their soul to the devil for £50 or £100? Perhaps you would but I suspect you wouldn't. Why, then, should you think that anyone of the rest of us would either? And if you want us to review stuff that has been paid for, who does the paying? If you want to foot the bill then I'm sure we will all applaud you, you know how to contact me. In the meantime, we all work with what we have and endeavour to do justice to ALL concerned without fear or favour.

S
 
I must admit that I dismiss the content of the tool reviews as bias. Regardless of what the writer might want to or is saying, surely the editor HAS TO have one eye on the advertising revenue from the said manufacturer.

So......... if Steve writes a review saying that the Acme left hand widget is overpriced and he can do the same job with a old screwdriver, his article isn't going to get published if Acme have just bought a double page advert for the next 6 issues. So I don't think anyone is questioning the integrity of the reviewer - more recognising the survival instincts of the Editor.
 
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