It's about technique not kit.

[Jacob]

......
We may not agree on this any more of than they do, but I hold to the point that a piece of art should inspire emotion in the beholder of the piece, and I'd stand by my view that the work of the YBA group of artists fell short of this and damingingly so...

Art is defined by its patrons.
So, for you it "inspires emotions".
What it is that inspires the patrons of the YBA may well be something different.
Part of it is the pursuit of investment opportunities. That the YBA have persuaded some very wealthy people to part with their ill-gotten gains should be welcomed by us all!
It's not our problem, we don't have to buy the stuff or even take any notice of it at all. A large number of variously talented "artists" and art entrepreneurs are making a living (from very wealthy people) doing something quite harmless and occasionally entertaining. I'm all for it - I see no damage.

On the other hand at least one of the YBAs (Tracy Emin) produces intensely emotional stuff which is a long way removed from Hirst's dots.
I was impressed by Hirts's diamond studded skull when I saw it. More "circus" than art and there is a strong underlying sense pf politics i.e. wealth distribution.

And on the other hand Grayson Perry has his feet firmly on the ground and is accessible to all.

 

[ED65]

I always get suspicious when someone describes themselves as an artist. I take the traditional British view that artist, like hero or genius, is not a description you are entitled to attach to yourself. It's actually a judgement that is for others to make.

I'm sorry that's completely wrong, the prevailing view is that artist is entirely about self-definition.

 

[custard]

I always get suspicious when someone describes themselves as an artist. I take the traditional British view that artist, like hero or genius, is not a description you are entitled to attach to yourself. It's actually a judgement that is for others to make.

I'm sorry that's completely wrong, the prevailing view is that artist is entirely about self-definition.

Or self-delusion?

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just telling it like it is. This is the internet, where words are cheap and forums are full of crackpots and wannabes preening and puffing themselves up. So why not post a few links to your art works and woodworking projects and let people make up their own minds? This forum is unstinting with praise when it's warranted, you might be delighted with the response.

 

[n0legs]

Art can be anything that's created by one person and appreciated by at least one other.

Artist is a title bestowed on someone, not automatically assumed.

 

[shed9]

So what if someone creates something that is defined by others as art however the creator denies the title of artist?

The reality is that anyone can define themselves an artist and define whatever they want as art. The perception of this from others is a totally separate thing.

 

[bugbear]

Is it even possible to define "an artist"?

Yes of course, "one who creates art". The tricky part is defining what is art....

That's easy - it's anything asserted to be art by an Artist.

BugBear

 

[shed9]

Is it even possible to define "an artist"?

Yes of course, "one who creates art". The tricky part is defining what is art....

That's easy - it's anything asserted to be art by an Artist.

BugBear

Totally agree.

 

[Jelly]

On the other hand at least one of the YBAs (Tracy Emin) produces intensely emotional stuff which is a long way removed from Hirst's dots.
I was impressed by Hirts's diamond studded skull when I saw it. More "circus" than art and there is a strong underlying sense pf politics i.e. wealth distribution.

The choice to use a real skull I find more than a little distasteful, but the piece is deliciously ironic as it Directly Personifies (literally) the very thing it seems to me Hirst was trying to point out as being undesirable, indeed before making that piece he may have spent a little too long gazing into the abyss.

I'm no fan of Emin's work, but there is a connecting narrative which gives it meaning at least. It's very true to her intentions and experience, and "truth is beauty and beauty truth".

 

[ED65]

I don't appreciate being put on the spot like this custard. To me saying I'm an artist is just a statement of fact, as completely lacking in pretence as someone saying they're a fireman or a plumber or a musician. And I shouldn't be asked to prove it any more than they would.

 

[Woodmonkey]

Is it even possible to define "an artist"?

Yes of course, "one who creates art". The tricky part is defining what is art....

That's easy - it's anything asserted to be art by an Artist.

BugBear

Aaah so we just need to define an Artist then!

 

[Cheshirechappie]

That's easy. It's someone who creates art.

Oh - hang on...

 

[Rhyolith]

Can anyone think of an example of something that is defiantly NOT art?

 

[Steve1066]

I was told that for some thinking to be art it must have no practical use.

 

[Mr_P]

Can anyone think of an example of something that is defiantly NOT art?

I've seen horses/dogs on tv trained to scrape paint brushes across canvas.

Pretty much everything else is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[bugbear]

Can anyone think of an example of something that is defiantly NOT art?

Perhaps these?

:wink: :lol:

BugBear

 

[RogerP]

Can anyone think of an example of something that is defiantly NOT art?

I've seen horses/dogs on tv trained to scrape paint brushes across canvas.

Pretty much everything else is in the eye of the beholder.

... and Gorillas?

http://www.koko.org/gorilla-art-1

 

[lurker]

The greatest artist in the past decade is without doubt (IMHO) whoever did this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3748179.stm

 

[Jacob]

Can anyone think of an example of something that is defiantly NOT art?

Perhaps these?

:wink: :lol:

BugBear

http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/duc ... ain-t07573

 

[Bluekingfisher]

Dried cow sh|t. Presumably patted over a mould (gourd?).
The point being that craftsmanship and good design are not dependant on kit and materials. It's about what you do with what you have, whatever it is.
http://www.horniman.ac.uk/get_involved/ ... containers

I assume your post is tongue in cheek :?: ..............................."beautiful object and craftsmanship" :?:

Thank god someone back in the day had the sense to "invent" tools otherwise we would still be sitting around on our sheepskins licking our (merd ) bowls. :roll:

 

[Bluekingfisher]

Can anyone think of an example of something that is defiantly NOT art?

Perhaps these?

:wink: :lol:

BugBear

http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/duc ... ain-t07573

=D> =D> =D>

Good old John Crapper, or was it James :?: