Invasion of US Capitol building

[D_W]

Well, it's actually something that the USA exported to Hong some time ago - but the activists in Hong Kong throwing molotov cocktails and invading government offices were called plucky democratic freedom fighters, not domestic terrorists.

"Isn't it ironic"

the hong kong protesters are more likely to have been right in this instance, though. I think the group who went to the capitol needs a lesson in not betting on extreme long shots.

I think the folks promising some kind of legitimate fraud that swung the elections are worse than pro wrestling promoters. At least pro wrestling promoters are capable of giving you the match you want to see.

 

[Lefley]

When you can lose your house or life savings by going to the hospital, you are not living in a very good country.

 

[Jake]

In most protest groups, I'd say that's not true. This particular protest group appears to be ....well, pretty easy to sell on something that's not very likely. Let's put it that way to be polite.

Revolutions do happen though (as you know). Like anything Trump does, this was not well enough executed. But among the crowd there were some who had a detailed and studied plan, knew where to go and went there well tooled up, not just milling around like the more easily led casual rioters.

The working gallows complete with operable platform was quite an unusual touch..

 

[Jacob]

..... Like anything Trump does, this was not well enough executed. .....

He's a chancer like Johnson, neither of them very clever nor having much idea about how things might turn out. Remember Johnson/Gove faces following the referendum - subdued, shocked and fearful of what they had unleashed?

 

[D_W]

Johnson can't possibly be in the same class as Trump.

 

[D_W]

But among the crowd there were some who had a detailed and studied plan, knew where to go and went there well tooled up, not just milling around like the more easily led casual rioters.

The working gallows complete with operable platform was quite an unusual touch..

We do like grandstanding in the US, but I think we learned that from Europe years ago.

The folks you talk about with detailed plans are nutballs. If they try anything, they'll end up getting killed by security detail, or jailed.

The narrative news writers are trying to stir up coup talk. Ever seen a coup that just comes in, and the leaves within a short period of time? It's all nonsense. Nothing is going to happen of any substance, and it would die out faster if the media covered it as a matter of fact thing and then stopped covering it. You know what I mean by that? Cover it as news, not as opinion fodder. I think less than 15 percent of the news publication material now is news, and the rest is opinion and commentary. It skips anything positive and stretches out the negative.

 

[Jonm]

He's a chancer like Johnson, neither of them very clever nor having much idea about how things might turn out. Remember Johnson/Gove faces following the referendum - subdued, shocked and fearful of what they had unleashed?

Johnson also wrote an article (never published) supporting the EU. My impression is that all Johnson believes in is himself, he supported leave to get him support with the Conservative Party members for a future leadership contest. He seems to have charisma and people overlook him being sacked for lying both as a journalist and from the Conservative front bench. Proroguing Parliament and disregarding international law seems very Trump like. He was lucky to be up against Corbyn with an electorate fed up with the eternal arguing. Very clever how the “Remoaner” conservatives were blamed for the chaos when it was the ERG who voted against the May deal.

 

[Woody2Shoes]

Johnson can't possibly be in the same class as Trump.

I think you're right. Trump's self-evident mental illness and probable connections to organised crime (through his father) put him in a different league, but both are shamelessly dishonest and have very iffy friends (with interesting connections to 'big data' abuse and the Russian diaspora - Boris isn't called Donald after all...).
Trump is agressively dishonest, Boris is just dishonest. - both are prepared to sell their grandmother for power/approval.

PS When they're about to go on a podium and speak in public, nearly everyone checks that their shirt is tucked in and their hair is tidy - Boris actively ensures the opposite (I have spoken to people who've seen this themselves).

 

[Jacob]

Johnson can't possibly be in the same class as Trump.

Johnson's legacy is likely to prove more destructive, divisive and longer lasting than Trump's.

 

[Jake]

We do like grandstanding in the US, but I think we learned that from Europe years ago.

There's obviously a long history of using fake gallows as theatre in protests - they are usually a bit more stylised.

The folks you talk about with detailed plans are nutballs. If they try anything, they'll end up getting killed by security detail, or jailed.

Nutballs as in bizarrely extreme politically, agreed. Mad, not so much.

I think that's by far the most likely outcome, like 99 and some .9s percent. They clearly have some military/police/GOP support but not enough to deliver. Doesn't mean they aren't trying - they clearly were and are.

 

[doctor Bob]

D_W........ just be aware a lot of posters on here would consider Bernie Sanders as a republican/ conservative due to his lack of socialist policys.

 

[Misterdog]

He's a chancer like Johnson, neither of them very clever nor having much idea about how things might turn out. Remember Johnson/Gove faces following the referendum - subdued, shocked and fearful of what they had unleashed?

Indeed we should do away with all this nonsense called democracy and install (x) to rule like that nice Mr Putin.

 

[D_W]

D_W........ just be aware a lot of posters on here would consider Bernie Sanders as a republican/ conservative due to his lack of socialist policys.

I noticed that with a few. Bernie is regarded as a bit of an idiot here because nothing that he ever proposes has any realistic path from where we are to his proposals. He's noted for what he feels is "being a perfectionist" - that is, he can't ever compromise on anything to get any legislation written or revised. I think it's intentional - it's easier to live on the public siphon without actually accomplishing anything than it is to attempt to get something through.

Anyone worth their salt who had a point would work things in their direction rather than just being a foolish old storyteller who did nothing other than enjoy the attention. Vermont or NH is kind of the state if you want to be that type of person, though. They like to think they're special, independent and different. Vermont is an odd state - they love the Bernie narrative and require no permit to open carry or concealed carry firearms.

 

[Jacob]

D_W........ just be aware a lot of posters on here would consider Bernie Sanders as a republican/ conservative due to his lack of socialist policys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polit...ated that,believes is corporate greed ruining

 

[doctor Bob]

Exactly, you'd want more than that Jacob. That is just a titbit for you

 

[D_W]

Have a look at the legislative accomplishments for Sanders (nothing of substance, which is really unusual for someone in office for 30 years).

Note at the bottom of the page that his attendance record is absent 15% vs. an average of about 1/10th that. Kind of makes it look like he's not that interested in actually doing anything. That means he's doing nothing for his constituents, and I'd be pretty pissed about that if I were in vermont. The expectation for reps and senators is that some part of the legislation that they're working on will benefit their constituency.

Here's a summary of comments from wiki about the economy in vermont:
" A 2010 University of Connecticut study reported that Vermont, Rhode Island, and New Hampshire tied as the most costly states in the U.S. for manufacturers "

"In 2011, Vermont was fifth among the states with the greatest backlog of foreclosures needing court processing, taking an estimated 18 years. The national average was eight years."

" Median annual property taxes as a percentage of median homeowners income, 5.4%, was rated as the third highest in the nation in 2011. "

This is a recipe to have retirees in the state and not much business, which increases the tax burden on retirees. Not so great.

I kind of feel like if I were a senator or representative, I'd be looking to fix some of those things.

 

[Jacob]

Exactly, you'd want more than that Jacob. That is just a titbit for you

Sanders pretty similar to the last labour agenda; civilised middle of the road "Euro socialist". If he'd got any further he would have got the Corbyn treatment ten times over.

 

[Jacob]

Military will be in control !

Michael Moore says something similar. This is alarming and he says it's not all over yet. It's only just begun.

 

[D_W]

Sanders pretty similar to the last labour agenda; civilised middle of the road "Euro socialist". If he'd got any further he would have got the Corbyn treatment ten times over.

He has no chance of going further. If he ever got to a general election, he'd get pummeled. He's a liability for his party if he gets elected, and frankly a liability for everyone, because an idiot running against him could get elected easily.

This past presidential election was an illustration of that - other than for covid, we have a booming economy, etc, taxes were cut (which people like despite a few screaming about it) and we haven't gotten into much in the line of worthless wars that leave us with a bunch of dead and wounded, and other countries with same. Some of the regulatory hurdles that keep small businesses from starting or staying in the US are relaxed. But the guy at the helm is a ****, and now a negative trouble-making ****.

The election wouldn't have been nearly as close if we had a decent centrist who wasn't geriatric. At this point, our presidential elections are like a sports team with no prospects in the minor leagues.

Bernie's plans would do one thing well - they'd cut the average standard of living here by a third, which is only pleasing to people who look at their relative standing (often vs. imaginary cohorts - the "wealthy majority who never work") vs. their absolute or nominal standing.

 

[D_W]

Michael Moore says something similar

Riddle us on what Michael Moore does to make a living.