global warming again

[Peter T]

Why, or in what ways, is Milliband (I presume you mean Ed) 'stupid'?

He's a NuLabor government minister; how else could he be described?

I suppose worthless parasite also fits the bill.

 

[MikeG.]

Of course I am no moderator, but if this thread descends into politics then it is sure to be locked or nuked.......them's the rules! Why don't we stick to climate change?

Mike

 

[Peter T]

Of course I am no moderator, but if this thread descends into politics then it is sure to be locked or nuked.......them's the rules! Why don't we stick to climate change?

Mike

Roger Wilco

 

[Digit]

http://www.theascendingpath.com/images/ice22.jpg

I reckon this guy's got a big job ahead of him! :lol:

Roy.

 

[didge]

Hi! First poster!

Check out this article for some very important reading!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-for-dummies.html

Regards,
D

 

[mr grimsdale]

Hi! First poster!

Check out this article for some very important reading!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-for-dummies.html

Regards,
D

Read it. Complete loony paranoid american nonsense.

 

[devonwoody]

Me, I'm not writing another word this time, dont need to after that lot.

Anyway GW is going to stop, my fuel company want anothe 25% increase for next contract, and I see Jet petrol station are not giving petrol away 112p per ltr.

 

[Argee]

Read it. Complete loony paranoid american nonsense.

Well, you can't beat that for useful, constructive, evidenced criticism.

Ray

 

[Digit]

I thought it was a thoroughly reasoned series of comments! :lol:

Roy.

 

[devonwoody]

Hi. Digit I have sent you a pm has the forum system doesnt work anymore, Moderators please note. :wink:

 

[cambournepete]

Read it. Complete loony paranoid american nonsense.

Well, you can't beat that for useful, constructive, evidenced criticism.

Ray

And all that tautology as well...

 

[mr grimsdale]

Read it. Complete loony paranoid american nonsense.

Well, you can't beat that for useful, constructive, evidenced criticism.

Ray

And all that tautology as well...

Yes OK substitute "Completely paranoid american nonsense" if tautology worries you.
Or does "b****x" say it better?
Who needs "evidenced criticism" when dealing with those whose only argument is to ignore evidence?

 

[Peter T]

Read it. Complete loony paranoid american nonsense.

Well, you can't beat that for useful, constructive, evidenced criticism.

Ray

And all that tautology as well...

Yes OK substitute "Completely paranoid american nonsense" if tautology worries you.
Or does "b****x" say it better?
Who needs "evidenced criticism" when dealing with those whose only argument is to ignore evidence?

The evidence is that the ecomentalist brigade take the available data and "Manipulate" it until it fits their ecomentalist agenda.

And if that fails, they simply make it up!!

 

[Smudger]

No it isn't - and if it is, you'd have some proof of that?

 

[jlawrence]

Of course I am no moderator, but if this thread descends into politics then it is sure to be locked or nuked.......them's the rules! Why don't we stick to climate change?

Actually Mike, isn't that a major part of the problem.
We, ie those who don't actually understand the science, have to rely on what we're told about Climate Change. Now we're only really told things by 2 groups of people - the media and the politicians. The media we simply can't trust as at least half of what they say simply ain't true - as evidenced by the number of retractions that they have to print, and the politicians we (I think in the main) simply don't trust as far as we could spit them.
Politics is very much tied into what we understand of CC. Although discussing politics is against forum rules, I don't think we're really discussing people's actual political beliefs - so that shouldn't be a problem.

I personally think that if it weren't for the political spin placed on the information we're getting on CC then there would likely be a lot less skeptics. Politicians (regardless of which party) always seem to have their own agenda, this isn't a dig at any political party, I think it's simply the way life is - whether it's right or wrong is quite another matter.

There's too much about the CC information that we're given that just happens to fit nicely with certain political agendas - I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, I think it's just the info we're given is carefully screened. This in turn hints that there is info that isn't being reported on.

Mike, I for one would very happily sit down with you over a few beers to discuss CC - perhaps question you on it would be a better way of putting it. It would be a rare opportunity to actually ask questions of someone who understood some of the science and didn't have to rely totally on the info given out by the media/government and had the understanding to separate some of the BS from the real info.

I could be described as a skeptic. But only because a) I don't have the ability to understand the actual raw science, b) I don't trust the sources that are delivering the information to us (ie media/government). The way the IPCC put things across (or at least how it is reported to us) makes out that all scientists are behind their conclusions, something which I simply don't believe.

Mike, I really do believe it is rare (certainly the first time it's happened to me) to be able to discuss this subject with someone who does understand some of the raw info.

As I said earlier in the thread, I do believe (note the word believe) that Climate Change is happening. The questions really are: a) is it man made (or as I believe man accelerated), b) can we actually do anything about it, and c) if we can, should we.
Item c is the big deal imo. We have (again in my belief) an unsustainable population on this planet. So although life would be sh**ty for many generations, but for those that came afterwards would the planet actually be a better place if we were to allow mother nature to sort things out herself.

 

[Smudger]

I'm convinced that climate change is happening - you don't have to look hard to see the evidence.
I don't know if it will cause disaster - it seems likely for places like Bangladesh, even for us.
It would be a good idea to be more energy efficient anyway.
So we act now. Or we dont...

The politicisation of the issue is depressing. It has been led (in the UK) by those bastions of good sense and responsible reporting, the Mail and the Express. A large part of their readership has, for reasons that completely escape me, bought the story, so much that it is now a given of right-wing politics, so much that those of us who are convinced it exists are 'insulted' by being called Guardian readers, or that ever-witty 'Guardianistas' (which actually means something else). In a world where being liberal is seen as a character fault akin to kiddy-fiddling, where the deniers chuck insults everywhere, where the most awful bo**ocks is treated as 'scientific proof' - where do we go now?

Have you seen the film 'Idiocracy'?

 

[big soft moose]

In a world where being liberal is seen as a character fault akin to kiddy-fiddling, where the deniers chuck insults everywhere, where the most awful bo**ocks is treated as 'scientific proof' - where do we go now?

to houses that are a long way above sea level if we have any sense.

My feeling is if we cant stop it happening - and lets face it it doesnt seem likely while people want to be able to drive to the mailbox (and then wonder why they are getting obese)

the next best thing is to be ready, or as ready as we can be.

Its always the same problem with anything where precautions might impact on lifestyle - while a hazard is potential there are always those who will argue that its not a threat , once its actual even they are convinced but it is too late to avert the consequences of their inaction

 

[RogerS]

.....
Have you seen the film 'Idiocracy'?

One of the most profoundly depressing films I've ever watched...although I have to admit that after the first half I couldn't face any more. Depressing not because it was a bad film but depressing in the context of where humans might be in 500 years time.

 

[Smudger]

ecomentalist brigade

 

[Peter T]

ecomentalist brigade

In denial.