Climate change policy

[woodieallen]

It's narc behaviour.

That's a polite way of putting it.

 

[woodieallen]

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Currently 50-60% of properties have the capacity to charge off road.

We've already discussed and proved the over-optimism of that statistic

 

[woodieallen]

.. To me that’s a teething issue which will be resolved.

Understatement of the year

 

[woodieallen]

If that was the case then why are there not more clever people around !

Everyone is just staring at phone screens, you have to feel sorry for young kids who are just ignored because mum is busy on her phone, couples not talking because they are both on there phones and it is a social disease eating away at peoples face to face interactions and ability to socialise.

Spot on, Spectric.

 

[woodieallen]

Is that just lecky cost?

No, it includes the cost of a tow truck when he ran out of charge

 

[Noel]

If that was the case then why are there not more clever people around !

Everyone is just staring at phone screens, you have to feel sorry for young kids who are just ignored because mum is busy on her phone, couples not talking because they are both on there phones and it is a social disease eating away at peoples face to face interactions and ability to socialise.

Can’t say I’ve noticed a decline in “clever people”. Have you?

 

[Croolis]

The arguments about what others are doing are a bit daft. All countries start in different places and have different circumstances. By being at the forefront we can sell them our developed technologies and skills.

Points have been made already about why we should not just say "there's no point us doing anything waaaahhh". I'm not repeating myself for him and I don't think anyone else should.

I just had this year's look at whether or not I should chop in my old Mk2 Focus and see if I can afford an EV. £12k gets you a smaller range one used (180-200 mile), 3-4 years old with ~30k on the clock. All looking more promising, a sort-of affordable one can even pull a small trailer, which I would need, though range impact is indeterminate.

But then I get to teh charging aspects. I don't have a garage, but am at the end of a a cul-de-sac with my two parking spaces about 50 feet from my front door. I could probably run a cable over to my parking spot if I took measures to not make it a trip hazard for the neighbours, but what's this - running it simply from a plug socket in the house is not neccessarily going to work too well (long charging times possible). Installation of proper charging thingy from Octopus (who seem to be all the rage).... £900. Hmm. That ain't peanuts.

 

[Croolis]

Can’t say I’ve noticed a decline in “clever people”. Have you?

You want to work at my place

 

[Noel]

You want to work at my place

No thanks. : )

 

[Noel]

Have you tried the Merlin bird app?

Don’t think Spectric has ever had a smart phone according to his posts on the subject. Might be wrong.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

If that was the case then why are there not more clever people around !

Everyone is just staring at phone screens, you have to feel sorry for young kids who are just ignored because mum is busy on her phone, couples not talking because they are both on there phones and it is a social disease eating away at peoples face to face interactions and ability to socialise.

Being that you are painfully aware of that, it occurs to me that there is probably some middle ground between a Spectric and a young kid...

 

[RobinBHM]

Can’t say I’ve noticed a decline in “clever people”. Have you?

There are loads of really clever people on this forum, it is a wonderful community.

 

[RobinBHM]

Being that you are painfully aware of that, it occurs to me that there is probably some middle ground between a Spectric and a young kid...

That would be a Spectrikid

 

[Spectric]

Don’t think Spectric has ever had a smart phone according to his posts on the subject.

Correct, a smart phone is similiar in behavior to a cat in that they take control and you become their servant. Odd thing is that I have always worked in technology, electrical / electronics and other engineering fields and kept as far as possible work and living separate but these phones are just like having an implant and it seems they become your life. No one can say they are not addictive but at last people are realising they are damaging kids education as well as removing any chance of a proper childhood as they have everything good, bad and ugly at there fingertips so things we would never have known or worried about are now in there face.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

Bearing in mind I'm not a climate denier or remotely against net zero, only the timing I would suggest that those who are militant and often engaged in green matters take a look at the following list and then answer the questions below.

China, USA, India, Russia, Japan, Indonesia, Iran and Germany. They're the top eight of the world's contributors of Co2.

Question 1. Which of those nations listed above are actually on course to meet the 2050 net zero target?

Question 2. Which of those listed above do you firmly believe will actually achieve net zero by 2050 or earlier?

Question 3. Which of the nations listed above do you believe will be willing to hamstring their economies which will no doubt seriously impact on their citizen's lifestyles in order to meet net zero targets?

Question 4. If the UK achieves net zero but the other nations don't, do you believe that it will not affect the UK's economy and not put us behind those nations which didn't achieve net zero and more to the point what should we do if they don't?

It will be interesting to see what the response is on this matter.

The way I read this is:

"I'm not a net zero sceptic BUT, going net zero would mean too much financial burden and I'm definitely not up for that."
Which equates to being against net zero.

Your questions are based entirely on false premises as well as imaginary fantasy and consequently can be ignored and rejected.

There is no evidence to even suggest that any Economy would necessarily be "hamstrung" by transitioning to net zero. That's just a silly bed time story for children, being spread by the climate denier brigade and fossil fuel lobbyists. In the context of the potential extreme implications of a collapsing global ecosystem, the point would be moot anyway, would it not?

 

[Terry - Somerset]

Question 3. Which of the nations listed above do you believe will be willing to hamstring their economies which will no doubt seriously impact on their citizen's lifestyles in order to meet net zero targets?

Question 4. If the UK achieves net zero but the other nations don't, do you believe that it will not affect the UK's economy and not put us behind those nations which didn't achieve net zero and more to the point what should we do if they don't?

It will be interesting to see what the response is on this matter.

You are asking closed questions - eg:

• implicit in Q3 is that meeting net zero will hamstring their economies and seriously .........
• 4 is similar - affect the UKs economy and put us behind .....................

If you want a meaningful response ask some sensible open questions, not phrased in a way which leads to the answer you expect and/or want.

 

[ey_tony]

You are asking closed questions - eg:

• implicit in Q3 is that meeting net zero will hamstring their economies and seriously .........
• 4 is similar - affect the UKs economy and put us behind .....................

If you want a meaningful response ask some sensible open questions, not phrased in a way which leads to the answer you expect and/or want.

Are you suggesting that going all out for net zero at all costs will NOT hamstring one's economy?
The way I see it it WILL hamstring our economy especially if it is implemented too quickly or others fail to match our rate of cut backs to achieve net zero by 2050.
What would we actually achieve in the grand scheme f things if we were the first to reach net zero?

 

[ey_tony]

The way I read this is:

"I'm not a net zero sceptic BUT, going net zero would mean too much financial burden and I'm definitely not up for that."
Which equates to being against net zero.

Your questions are based entirely on false premises as well as imaginary fantasy and consequently can be ignored and rejected.

There is no evidence to even suggest that any Economy would necessarily be "hamstrung" by transitioning to net zero. That's just a silly bed time story for children, being spread by the climate denier brigade and fossil fuel lobbyists. In the context of the potential extreme implications of a collapsing global ecosystem, the point would be moot anyway, would it not?

I really don't share your blinkered views...of course it will affect our industries if we end up as a nation unilaterally achieving net zero. Unless we achieve it at the same rate as do other nations then of course we'd lose out and to think otherwise is barmy!

 

[Blackswanwood]

I really don't share your blinkered views...of course it will affect our industries if we end up as a nation unilaterally achieving net zero. Unless we achieve it at the same rate as do other nations then of course we'd lose out and to think otherwise is barmy!

Ah yes - if someone has a different opinion just tell them they are barmy!

You’ve missed the point. Being a leader means developing new technologies, creates job and drives economic growth.

 

[ey_tony]

Ah yes - if someone has a different opinion just tell them they are barmy!

You’ve missed the point. Being a leader means developing new technologies, creates job and drives economic growth.

I've heard all this virtue signaling rubbish put out by the Greenfreaks before and it just doesn't wash!

Achieving net zero is going to seriously impact on ordinary people's lives if introduced too quickly, it will also make the UK's industries uncompetitive if we follow a faster track toward net zero than other nations with which we compete.

I can't see any of the nations on the list I gave that will hamstring their own economies and industries in order to achieve some magic arbitrary figure by a specific date that our government seems to think will be the date after which the world will end if we haven't reached net zero before that date.

We saw what Germany did when it was still buying Russian oil and gas after Russia invaded Ukraine...they were big on lip service about sanctions on Russia but they weren't prepared to cut ties with Russian energy until they were ready as it would have affected their economy which is why I can't see any of the countries on that list achieving net zero by the 2050 deadline.
They will protect their own interests and we should as a nation do the same.