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Maybe this is of interest. No point in re-inventing the wheel http://goo.gl/ITVZa
G S Haydon":2btf0ccz said:I must admit as a new member to UKWorkshop this thread does not encourage me too much. I'm finding some of the posting her a little aggressive and confrontational over something than can be treated, as most things in life, something to take or leave.
I'm all for various approaches and sharing what works well for each of us, perhaps that should be as far as it goes?
Misinterpreting in your usual way.Pete Maddex":2w7kpb9n said:So most are just your impression from one or two posts you have misinterpreted in your usual way, or am I misinterpreting.
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Read the ones which refer to chisels if that's what you want to do. 2516 matches for "flattening" going back to 2002.Pete Maddex":qxwb022c said:jacob most of those refer to flatening plane soles
GS, you've expressed at least good reason why I seldom bother getting involved in a meaningful way in threads on plane and chisel, etc sharpening, and related subjects such as flattening the front/back face (depending on your preferred terminology) of said chisels, plane irons, and even the subject of flattening plane soles.G S Haydon":19zhms26 said:I must admit ... this thread does not encourage me too much. I'm finding some of the posting her a little aggressive and confrontational ...
G S Haydon":3olg3s5c said:Sweet set of chisels. Some day....... My preparation was just the same on my budget blue handled faithfuls. Just enough to create a decent flat behind the cutting edge.
Perhaps you could help me on steel. Do the old tools have a carbon steel (wooden plane blades) like your chisels? I have preparing a big old framing chisel and the steel feels and reacts differently to newer stuff. Is carbon softer and easy to sharpen but looses it's edge a little quicker?
Repetitive? Never! :lol: Actually for me it has been a long drawn out process of finding out. I was a crazy sharpener once, but not very good at it as I found the jigs tedious and inconvenientSgian Dubh":3qcz4ua0 said:.......
They're generally just so darned polarising, fractious, repetitive,
Agree, and the best argument for keeping it simple and doing as little as possible. Flattening, polishing, micro bevelling, jigs, complicated systems etc are not for beginners. Or anybody necessarily.frequently confusing for the inexperienced woodworker,
I quite enjoy it on the whole. Perhaps I should try to get out more.and tend to become tedious very quickly unless, like me, you get some enjoyment out of watching the same old winnerless fights, ha, ha. Slainte.
Sgian Dubh":dpgv0dbt said:GS, you've expressed at least good reason why I seldom bother getting involved in a meaningful way in threads on plane and chisel, etc sharpening, and related subjects such as flattening the front/back face (depending on your preferred terminology) of said chisels, plane irons, and even the subject of flattening plane soles.G S Haydon":dpgv0dbt said:I must admit ... this thread does not encourage me too much. I'm finding some of the posting her a little aggressive and confrontational ...
They're generally just so darned polarising, fractious, repetitive, frequently confusing for the inexperienced woodworker, and tend to become tedious very quickly unless, like me, you get some enjoyment out of watching the same old winnerless fights, ha, ha. Slainte.
G S Haydon":2ja4p3g0 said:I must admit as a new member to UKWorkshop this thread does not encourage me too much. I'm finding some of the posting her a little aggressive and confrontational over something than can be treated, as most things in life, something to take or leave.
I'm all for various approaches and sharing what works well for each of us, perhaps that should be as far as it goes?
I agree. Jacob is like a dog with a bone, and that can get tedious and people get pi$$ed off.G S Haydon":21mvbjcv said:I must admit as a new member to UKWorkshop this thread does not encourage me too much. I'm finding some of the posting her a little aggressive and confrontational over something than can be treated, as most things in life, something to take or leave.
Maybe he should try to get out more.Jacob":21mvbjcv said:I quite enjoy it on the whole. Perhaps I should try to get out more.,
Entertaining? Sometimes. But more often just tedious.Sgian Dubh":21mvbjcv said:...They're generally just so darned polarising, fractious, repetitive, frequently confusing for the inexperienced woodworker, and tend to become tedious very quickly unless, like me, you get some enjoyment out of watching the same old winnerless fights, ha, ha. Slainte.
it's an important bone - it is key to the whole of woodworkVann":1dyfllhy said:..... Jacob is like a dog with a bone,
Watch the Cosman video. That is exactly what he advocates. Mirror finish, optically accurate. :roll: And others do too. Not sure what DC's view is I haven't bought the video/done the course but it's a well established notion and lots of people are at it.That's not to say he's wrong. Until I saw this photo, I thought Jacob was completely against flattening backs.
I've never thought anyone was advocating flattening the entire back of chisels or plane blades,
yes and no. I certainly don't rate the cosman approach and I do think that flattening is usually achieved sufficiently every time you turn a chisel over to remove the burr - but sometimes a little more is necessary.... constantly rubbishing anyone who suggests flattening backs
Thats for another thread. I'm happy to explain it yet again for anybody who still hasn't got it!And then we have the rounded bevel debate. ....
Jacob":1p3j8dox said:...I do think that flattening is usually achieved sufficiently every time you turn a chisel over to remove the burr -
1 You'd use a flattish bit of the stone. Hand and eye - it's all in your control. The "reference surface" is in your brain.bugbear":1vdc08ss said:Jacob":1vdc08ss said:...I do think that flattening is usually achieved sufficiently every time you turn a chisel over to remove the burr -
Unless your stone were to have a hollow, in which case you're creating a convex back as well as a convex bevel. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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