Dare I mention

[StevieB]

What, if I may be so bold, is a "biological female"?

I used the term biological female to mean genetically, and as a counterpoint to the legal definition of the individual in question now being a man. The female only underwent partial gender reassignment, adding male equipment but leaving the female. Thus is a female who has had surgery. Biologically this person is perfectly capable of conceiving and giving birth the same as any other female. The media assertation that a male has given birth is simply sensationalist journalism and factually incorrect - but that never gets in the way of selling a story!

Steve.

 

[Rich]

To me it's not normal, a man has something that fits quite comfortably with a woman's whatsit, animals don't alter their gender,

No 'huff and gruff' from me Rich, but I do like to be a pedant, and I have to correct you here as this is something I learned about in school, 20 years ago...

Just for the purposes of correctness and unbiased argument you understand :wink:

Animals changing *** to suit needs

The fundamentals behind it are questioning whether this is natures way of balancing out the sexes within a species. Who on this forum is qualified enough to prove to me that the topic of discussion is not just natural evolution, but we (humans) just haven't quite got it right yet? :twisted: /devil's advocate :wink:

Cheers

Mark

But surely, we as humans don't have a choice, you are conceived and are produced either m/f, the parents can't choose beforehand, that, to me is, natural selection.

Rich.

 

[TrimTheKing]

you are conceived and are produced either m/f, the parents can't choose beforehand, that, to me is, natural selection.

Rich.

Agreed, at the moment.... I was just picking up the the 'animals don't change ***' part of your post.

If Darwin is correct though (and if you are an evolutionist rather than a creationist) then surely it goes along that if one species can change their *** at will then another species must have a chance of developing that ability at some point in their evolution?

Maybe the people who are 'born in the wrong body' are just the start of **** sapiens going through this process?!

I'm not saying I believe in it. And for that matter I don't particularly have any thoughts or opinions on the subject either way, but I do like to keep an open mind.

Cheers

Mark

 

[RogerS]

As someone who has a close friend who is transgender and has had long conversation with said individual about this issue, you're infantile and puerile comments about something you can't even begin to empathise with are frankly crass.

 

[TrimTheKing]

As someone who has a close friend who is transgender and has had long conversation with said individual about this issue, you're infantile and puerile comments about something you can't even begin to empathise with are frankly crass.

Are you referring to me Roger?

If so, if you can point me in the direction of the mocking comments I have made on the subject then I will be happy to apologise. I only seem to recall discussing possible evolutionary reasons behind the condition.

Cheers

Mark

 

[BradNaylor]

And if it was my comments you were referring to Roger, my views come from being married to a senior psychiatric nurse with 25 years experience.

The fact is that the majority of such patients continue to have mental health issues even after having reassignmment surgery. In many cases their condition deteriorates after the realisation sinks in that this magic life changing operation has actually changed nothing apart from their outward appearence.

My wife is of the firm opinion that such people need help in coming to terms with their dissatifactions, not having their genitalia butchered.

I am not going to disagree.

Cheers
Dan

 

[devonwoody]

I have met two people who also have undergone the operation and I have also experienced that they still have problems over their gender afterwards.
Also those two wish to somehow exploit their condition by bringing their condidtion to attention.

Referring to the post by Jenx, I was personally in broad agreement with the comments, but.

If a person 200 miles away is stealing things or commiting other offences they still do not effect me but they are doing something which I do not agree with so the post by Jenx cannot be the difinitive answer after all?

 

[MikeG.]

But surely, we as humans don't have a choice, you are conceived and are produced either m/f
Rich.

No Rich....thats the point. We are not male or female......there is one long spectrum of sexuality from male to female with all sorts of gradations in between. Our sexuality, as I understand it, is determined by the amount of various hormones we receive in the womb at a certain stage of gestation.....and as this can vary infinitely, so can our sexuality.

The fact that the majority of people of my acquaintance are able to place themselves towards either end of the spectrum doesn't mean that everyone is either male or female. We just plainly are not. Once again, prejudices boil down to people like us "good"........people not like us "bad".

Interesting fact of the day........whilst our sexuality is determined by hormone levels in the womb, crocodiles *** is determined by the temperature of the nest......too hot, all one ***.......too cold, all another ***......just right 50-50 split.

Mike

 

[Rich]

Before we go any further lets get one thing straight I am not a narrow minded bigot with one point of view.
When I was 19 years of age my biological father died of a heart attack, he was gay, I admired and loved that man and miss him dearly, but he did not need surgery or psychiatric help to be what he wanted to be, and that's what I call being true to oneself.
In those days the word "gay" was not used and cruel euphemisms were used instead, however, my dad KNEW who and what he was and stood proud, myself, I know what I am, my wife knows what she is and we have 2 hot bloodied boys who know what they are to prove it!
So you see, I can speak from BOTH sides of the argument.

Rich.