Dangerous things!!!!

[NeilO]

lathes and gouges...

Just had a Record 3/4 inch roughing gouge SNAP on me.....right where the "blade" meets the ferrule..

talk about involuntary movements :shock: :shock:

rang Record and explained , with a promise they would send out another FOC...

was I doing anything wrong????

started with the gouge "rubbing" the work, then gently lifted the handle to perform the cut, and BANG..

and you know the rest, still I alright, thanks for asking..

 

[mudman]

Blimey. :shock:
Glad you're okay.

 

[Alf]

Yikes. :shock: Glad is was only the tool that got hurt...

 

[NeilO]

Thanks Barryand Alf,
I did say i was alright ...... the boxer shorts however, are another matter :lol:
dont know about about getting airshield, i`m now thinking about a suit of armour :shock:
still we live (hopefully) and learn..

 

[Alf]

dont know about about getting airshield, i`m now thinking about a suit of armour :shock:

Mmm, know what you mean - I had the same feeling when a 'Rat dovetail bit broke halfway through the cut. You know those chainmail gloves they sell for carvers? Something like that maybe - but larger... :lol:

 

[Russell]

Neil0 what were you turning? I have had customers snap and bend roughing gouges before, in each case they were turning bowls and had allowed about a 3/4 inch gap to appear between work and rest.

I am not saying this was what you were doing but very often is something I come across from time to time.

Roughing gouges should really only be used for spindle work where grain runs longitudinally to the cutting edge. When working with bowls you get 2 lots of end grain with each revolution this puts a lot of strain on the tang of a roughing gouge and a bowl gouge with its much smaller cutting area and thicker section is the best tool.

 

[NeilO]

Russell,
it actually was a Spindle/lamp base about 18 inches by 2 1/2 inches, id even cut it down on the bandsaw to give it a octagonal ( 8 sides?) profile making it easier and quicker to turn...
my only idea/ suggestion is probably caught a knot, its pine... but i figure that a roughing gouge should handle that without too much problem?

 

[Russell]

Neil0 I am inclined to agree with you, I don't recall coming across a roughing gouge snapping on spindle work. I agree that possible a Knot is to blame but the tool should have handled it

Personally I use a 1 1/4" roughing gouge I prefer the extra weight and robustness of the tool.

 

[NeilO]

thanks Russell,,
did check the wood for foreign bodies ie nails , screws etc..but nothing
so i guess its down to either a very hard knot or a failure in the metal?

Record have been informed and have promised to replace it FOC...will see what the postie brings.

yes, i would say in my amateur status the a larger gouge (1 1/4) may have been more helpful, but so far these are the only turning tools i have the Record 8 pc bowl and spindle set ( bought for me as a pressie from SWMBO )

 

[Paul Chapman]

That's scary, Neil :shock: :shock: Glad you are OK :wink:

Paul

 

[CHJ]

NeilO, are you starting from the centre of the blank and working towards the edge(end), you should always do this, if you start outside the edge and work towards the centre of the spindle, (I read you lamp base as a short fat spindle) then there is every possibility of catching a larger than average chunk of a corner before the bevel has any support.

 

[Anonymous]

fwiw NeilO, my favourite RoG is an Ashley Iles 1/2" superb!

With larger sizes there's always the temptation to push things along and take heavier cuts... it's never satisfying :wink:

 

[Russell]

The Ashley Iles Roughing gouge is excellent but if my memory is correct its a milled flute so the section of steel at the tang is comparable to a 1/2" bowl gouge making it exceptional strong. Its almost a roughing gouge/bowl gouge hybrid.

 

[Anonymous]

To be honest Russel I've never looked at it from the strength perspective; I just enjoy using a quality tool from a quality maker

 

[NeilO]

Chas, I do start from the middle of the work piece....something told me that trying to chip away at something spinning at ??? rpm would be safer to start in the middle

Oldsoke, AI`s would be nice, but then again these (Record 8 pc set) were a pressie from SWMBO so I really have to use them ( for a short time anyway :lol: )

on the subject, I now find myself with several inches of HSS in the shape of a 3/4 RoG, can anyone see a problem with creating a new tang, 3 or 4 inches and having a very short 3/4 RoG (would also be about 3 or 4 inches in length) ????

 

[CHJ]

Chas, I do start from the middle of the work piece....something told me that trying to chip away at something spinning at ??? rpm would be safer to start in the middle

Have a look at this section, of Brian Clifford's "Introduction to Woodturning" see if anything helps in future.

on the subject, I now find myself with several inches of HSS in the shape of a 3/4 RoG, can anyone see a problem with creating a new tang, 3 or 4 inches and having a very short 3/4 RoG (would also be about 3 or 4 inches in length) ????

Unless you have access to a milling machine with carbide cutters you are in for a long grind, suspect you will need a new grinding wheel by the end of the project.

 

[NeilO]

but a good excuse to buy a white grind wheel

Cheers Chas for the links.

 

[Alf]

In case anyone's thinking the Record set is hopeless, I've been using them as (almost) my only woodturning tools for years without a hitch. I think there must have been a flaw in the integrity of this one example - it happens, unfortunately. See my experience of the breaking saw file. :roll:

Cheers, Alf

 

[NeilO]

Alf, please dont get me wrong.....I`m not knocking Record tools at all.

I own a few things made by Record,( with the exception of a 3/4 RoG :lol: ) and find them extremely good for their price.

the thread started initially because:
1, scared the living S**T out of me, as you can expect.

2, being relatively new to turning I was wondering if I was at fault ( using the tool incorrectly).

3, hoping the other turners (wont mention names in case of libel suits :lol: ) would maybe point out if, and where I was going wrong.

so, I`m NOT slateing Record, wish I could have more their stuff, good quality( on the whole) not too expensive, and most of their stuff comes with a 5 yr warranty.

just hope the postie arrives soon with my replacemnt 3/4 Rog ( may need to edit this post , if record are a little lapse :lol: ).

Cheers

 

[Alf]

Alf, please dont get me wrong....

Neil, I haven't. It's just it occurred to me someone reading this thread might think they were all pants, so it seemed worth a mention. Not that it's my habit to defend Record as a rule... 8-[

Cheers, Alf