Cyclists!!!

[Racers]

Jacob

If cyclists are holding up trafic then thery are inconsiderate, you wouldn't block a pedestrians progress or an ambulance/fire engine/police car so why is it o/k to slow down cars.

Just give me one GOOD reason.

Pete

 

[Jacob]

....why is it o/k to slow down cars.

Just give me one GOOD reason.

Pete

It's OK to slow down cars because they can't go as fast as cars. In other words they have no choice.
When it comes to giving way, pulling over etc they are as inconsiderate/considerate as any other road users.
No claims to having better manners than car drivers, buy cyclists do have to be a bit assertive about their road space - as we have explained in earlier posts.
And as I've said, if you don't like sharing the road with all the other varieties of other users, don't use them. You won't be missed!

 

[Racers]

Jacob

That’s not even a reason let alone a good one.

If you were hobbling along a narrow pavement blocking other peoples progress that would be o/k would it? and you wouldn't care that people where getting frustrated?

Its all about being a nice person and helping your fellow man, but I don't supose you understand that.


Pete

 

[Jacob]

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If you were hobbling along a narrow pavement blocking other peoples progress that would be o/k would it?

Yes of course, if you can't do any better

and you wouldn't care that people where getting frustrated?

No I wouldn't feel guilty about hobbling - I've been doing that myself recently, with crutches.

Its all about being a nice person and helping your fellow man, ........

Pete

Yes, you should be a lot nicer to cyclists too, instead of driving around wittering and moaning - you are only spoiling your own day, we couldn't give a monkey's.

 

[Racers]

Jacob

So you speak for all cyclists?

I am nice to cyclists I ride a motorbike.

Pete

 

[Jacob]

Yawn

 

[paulm]

If you were hobbling along a narrow pavement blocking other peoples progress that would be o/k would it? and you wouldn't care that people where getting frustrated?
Pete

So if you were walking along a narrow pavement and got stuck behind someone elderly or disabled, or a mum with toddler or pram, you would expect them to get out of your way, to pull over and let you pass, as you can go faster than them and are too impatient or important to wait for a few seconds or couple of minutes ?

Cheers, Paul

 

[bugbear]

Nonsense.
"Cyclists on narrow lanes" aren't being inconsiderate, they are merely slow.
It's inconsiderate of our Mr Toads to expect cyclists to throw themselves into the ditch at every encounter.

As for causing delays cyclists aren't often to blame as it's usually easy to pull off for a second or two to let things pass - and most do, believe it or not.

Are there two Jacob Butlers?

BugBear

 

[Racers]

If you were hobbling along a narrow pavement blocking other peoples progress that would be o/k would it? and you wouldn't care that people where getting frustrated?
Pete

So if you were walking along a narrow pavement and got stuck behind someone elderly or disabled, or a mum with toddler or pram, you would expect them to get out of your way, to pull over and let you pass, as you can go faster than them and are too impatient or important to wait for a few seconds or couple of minutes ?

Cheers, Paul

Only if they where doing it deliberately, like Jacob is sugesting he will when he back on his bike.
I would expect most thoughtfully people to behave civilly.

Pete

 

[Racers]

Yawn

Sucess, I shut to old winger up.

Pete

 

[JakeS]

Are there two Jacob Butlers?

I don't see any particular contradiction there... sometimes it's possible to pull over and let stuff past, and if it's reasonable to do so, then it's the polite thing to do. Sometimes it's not possible, but ***** drivers expect - or at least would love - cyclists to do it anyway. If there's a ditch to the side of the road, it's no safer to drive into it on your bike than it would be in a car.

Similarly, I have nothing against getting stuck behind people pushing prams down the street where it's not wide enough to pass them, because people with small children also sometimes need to go to the shops and buy food... but I do get annoyed when I encounter two of them stopped alongside each other, blocking the entire path chatting to each other when there would be enough space for people to pass were they to arrange their prams in a marginally-less-convenient-for-them manner.

I found a pair of women chatting at the (single) exit to the CoOp next to our office the other day; one of them had an empty shopping trolley pushed out to the side in what looked like a deliberate attempt to barricade the exit... I would nominate her as far more inconsiderate than your average country-lane cyclist.

 

[RogerS]

If you were hobbling along a narrow pavement blocking other peoples progress that would be o/k would it? and you wouldn't care that people where getting frustrated?
Pete

So if you were walking along a narrow pavement and got stuck behind someone elderly or disabled, or a mum with toddler or pram, you would expect them to get out of your way, to pull over and let you pass, as you can go faster than them and are too impatient or important to wait for a few seconds or couple of minutes ?

Cheers, Paul

I usually find that there is an accommodation worked out around my way. Yes, if you come across someone going slower than you then it is courteous to slow down. What usually then happens is that within a very short while, they will pause and let you pass by. Courtesy works both ways.

I do get hacked off when, for example, I stand aside to let some person on an invalid carriage go past that many can't even be bothered to either acknowledge your presence or even say thank you.

Also with people striding towards you head down busily texting and expecting others to get out of their way. Mind you, that's very easily dealt with :twisted:

 

[Finial]

JakeS said:
I don't see any particular contradiction there... sometimes it's possible to pull over and let stuff past, and if it's reasonable to do so, then it's the polite thing to do. Sometimes it's not possible, but ***** drivers expect - or at least would love - cyclists to do it anyway. If there's a ditch to the side of the road, it's no safer to drive into it on your bike than it would be in a car.

Absolutely right!

Cyclists would be happier to ride nearer the kerb if drivers were more careful and considerate. About the only way to limit dangerous overtakes is to ride well out in the lane. Drivers who don't like this should try cycling at the side of the road with vehicles whizzing past inches from their elbow. Then they can decide if they still think it's a good idea.

Terry

 

[Jacob]

If you were hobbling along a narrow pavement blocking other peoples progress that would be o/k would it? and you wouldn't care that people where getting frustrated?
Pete

So if you were walking along a narrow pavement and got stuck behind someone elderly or disabled, or a mum with toddler or pram, you would expect them to get out of your way, to pull over and let you pass, as you can go faster than them and are too impatient or important to wait for a few seconds or couple of minutes ?

Cheers, Paul

I usually find that there is an accommodation worked out around my way. Yes, if you come across someone going slower than you then it is courteous to slow down. What usually then happens is that within a very short while, they will pause and let you pass by. Courtesy works both ways.

Thank you so much for this detailed explanation of etiquette when dealing with slow and disadvantaged people, I would never have got it otherwise! Do you give them a royal wave as you pass, and do they curtsy?

I do get hacked off when, for example, I stand aside to let some person on an invalid carriage go past that many can't even be bothered to either acknowledge your presence or even say thank you.

Not as hacked off as they are to be stuck in an invalid carriage and having people like you expecting to be thanked when they step out of your way.

Also with people striding towards you head down busily texting and expecting others to get out of their way. Mind you, that's very easily dealt with :twisted:

Dear oh dear life is full of problems.

 

[RogerS]

Oooooohh...the troll rebounds.