MikeG.
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sploo":20y7fdem said:......I'm hoping my wife doesn't die.........
Me too. She's really not well.
sploo":20y7fdem said:......I'm hoping my wife doesn't die.........
MikeG.":140oqex1 said:sploo":140oqex1 said:......I'm hoping my wife doesn't die.........
Me too. She's really not well.
My worry is that the medics need kit now, not a discussion afterwards. Besides, I'm sure something else will be found to entertain the public after this, so the papers will lose interest in any follow up after while.doctor Bob":3mkm1bao said:sploo":3mkm1bao said:I'm hoping my wife doesn't die due to lack of protective equipment, like quite a few other doctors.doctor Bob":3mkm1bao said:This is starting to bring back memories of the brexit thread......................
Thank god I have too much work to do trying to save my business, and helping parents to get involved this time around.
Not dismissing your concerns (which are absolutely valid, and I very much hope things stay afloat) but this is - literally - a life and death topic.
My sister is front line NHS, my parents are 87, my wife is a bad asmatic, I'm aware thank you. I to am hoping my family doesn't die, as I'm sure all front line NHS families are hoping. Your wife has my admiration along with all NHS staff, unfortunately this affects everyone. I'm struggling to understand how historical "blaming" saves the day. We need positivity at present, the media is whipping up a frenzy on purpose, now is not the time, do the blame game later.
Just a while back the negative posts, not necessarily on here, about the government asking for help to produce respirators were cringeworthy "impossible" "don't understand time scales" etc yet business with their hands not tied have risen to the challenge spectacularly.
I'm afraid I really am too tired and anxious to see any reason at this point in time to try and blame defects on X. I just want people to get on and do their best, blame can come later as in my opinion it acheives nowt at present.
To answer other questions:
After much haggling, my landlord offered me 25% discount on the next 3 months rent, I was delighed, when he wrote up the new contract he had clawed the money back over the following 9 months, I politely told him he was a penis and to stick it up his rectum.
Not confirmed generally though has been reported on local news yesterday however it is happening and I know the location. I've heard there's to be one in Harrogate as wellRorschach":21d5muhv said:Have they announced a Nightingale hospital for Sunderland? I thought it was only London.
there is gong to be one in Harrogate North Yorks, theyve been getting the conference centre ready all this weekRorschach":21ogkfhq said:Have they announced a Nightingale hospital for Sunderland? I thought it was only London.
sploo":1ybmpa9y said:My worry is that the medics need kit now, not a discussion afterwards. Besides, I'm sure something else will be found to entertain the public after this, so the papers will lose interest in any follow up after while.
Lons":221nqkh3 said:Not confirmed generally though has been reported on local news yesterday however it is happening and I know the location. I've heard there's to be one in Harrogate as wellRorschach":221nqkh3 said:Have they announced a Nightingale hospital for Sunderland? I thought it was only London.
The driver was underfunding.doctor Bob":1vcc2grs said:sploo":1vcc2grs said:My worry is that the medics need kit now, not a discussion afterwards. Besides, I'm sure something else will be found to entertain the public after this, so the papers will lose interest in any follow up after while.
Agreed, so what purpose does discussing the privatisation of the NHS through the back door serve at present, will this give your wife kit?
sploo":s10y0xwb said:The driver was underfunding.doctor Bob":s10y0xwb said:sploo":s10y0xwb said:My worry is that the medics need kit now, not a discussion afterwards. Besides, I'm sure something else will be found to entertain the public after this, so the papers will lose interest in any follow up after while.
Agreed, so what purpose does discussing the privatisation of the NHS through the back door serve at present, will this give your wife kit?
doctor Bob":29te6jhl said:The reason we mothballed the business was because we couldn't keep people safe, thought of lots of ways but in reality they were not practicable
The underfunding is a wider issue than just now, but...doctor Bob":1utqkw6d said:So do you think with more funding they would have bought 20 x more than necessary ventilators, scrubs, masks, etc and stored them?
Even in mock senarios the estimate on ventilators was way under the requirement now.
The papers would have had a field day "4% of NHS budget blown on unused ventilators"
I don't think they would have.
If I'd known they was a pandemic coming in 3 years I wouldn't have bought an Esprit but we are where we are.
Deadeye":2a3kybje said:beech1948":2a3kybje said:Ah the liberals reply. How quaint. Behind my current annoyance is some 35 yrs of doing business with the Chinese, most of Asia and the so called West.
Try doing business with a country which does not recognise my right to own my product through patents or copyright. A country which feels it can just copy and use my software for local companies. Yeah been there and tried that. Oddly the only country with the same approach as the West is Japan. Where what they sign up to is what they deliver. You just need to comprehend the rules of the game and the consequences of the desired outcome. China not so much.
China a parasite.....time to look at the facts.
China caused C19 to exist through poor animal welfare and negligence..true
China allowed many chinese to visit with the rest of the world after that for 3 months
China has tried to suppress the knowledge of the existence of C19
China continues to lie and obfuscate to throw the blame elsewhere
Chinas only interest is to prevent China becoming a hated state
China has lied about the size and volume of C19 dead
China yesterday issued a PR notice that Britain had failed its responsibilities through inaction
China has blamed a military US delegation in October for introducing the C19 to China
China has leveraged its manufacturing cost advantages to deskill the West.
China has used the C19 vacuum of attention to seize South China sea gas supplies
So fine you guys who have replied laugh your heads off and try to put down the facts BUT....it will come to pass that the UK Government will be faced with doing business with China on Chinese terms in the near future. I'd like to think they would not but I do know how politicos are so have no expectations.
The low cost argument is now a moot point. Chinese wages had risen quite high, goods are still cheapish but the gap is closing. Chinese manufacture is not all hightech and much that they make could be made here. After all the transport costs alone add significantly to their cost base. A few UK universities have explored this and tried to encourage UK manufacturing to pick up the ability to compete with high tech manufacturing systems but to no avail.
My electronics are made in Poland and Portugal. My critical electronic stuff is made in Stevenage. Cases are from Malaysia. When I have asked about complete UK manufacture the numbers returned have been only 13% more than Poland or Portugal inc transport. I have come to believe that high tech manufacturing would close that gap but who will make the investment needed to get it started. Not a Brit.
Nasty post. Xenophobic and badly informed.
For example, China did not "cause c19 to exist".
The virus existed and exists, very probably in bats. It bridged to man. You might recall that a bat enthusiast died of rabies here a couple of years back.
But, hey, haters gotta hate.
RobinBHM":37m92a87 said:Deadeye wrote:Nasty post. Xenophobic and badly informed.
For example, China did not "cause c19 to exist".
The virus existed and exists, very probably in bats. It bridged to man. You might recall that a bat enthusiast died of rabies here a couple of years back.
But, hey, haters gotta hate
I agree.
It really is not helpful to go down the blame route. This country has seen far too much ramping up of division and hatred, we do not need more. Trump has been calling it the China virus to incite hatred and deflect from his own failure.
I would say the West should be more fearful of Russia -they have spent years spreading misinformation and lies, causing damage to our democracy and still is.
doctor Bob":2r1g4vgr said:So do you think with more funding they would have bought 20 x more than necessary ventilators, scrubs, masks, etc and stored them?
Even in mock senarios the estimate on ventilators was way under the requirement now.
The papers would have had a field day "4% of NHS budget blown on unused ventilators"
I don't think they would have.
If I'd known they was a pandemic coming in 3 years I wouldn't have bought an Esprit but we are where we are.
I'm aware that there are some doctors who are particularly angry about this; though I must admit don't know the background as to why the original policy was herd immunity. As a layman, that route did at least sound plausible, and the only "weasel" stuff was in hiding the u-turn to a lockdown by claiming the science had changed (nothing particularly new in political circles).Jake":9bfr329x said:However, that's precisely why I am angry they wasted 6 weeks at least pursuing a flawed policy which would have been revealed as unworkable if the underlying modelling had been checked properly in times which were less pressured than now. Valuable weeks lost in not really exerting containment effort, valuable weeks lost in establishing new capabilities for mitigation, then a valuable week or two lost in triggering lock down (saving face by moving slowly). More significantly, going forwards, by all appearances they have not changed their original plan to try to manage within surge capacity, which the modelling says kills 250k, but they are still pretending the death toll is going to be in the low 1000s or 10000s. If you do not criticise a government pursuing a path like that, you fail as badly as a society as if you fail positively to pursue solutions.
Are you SERIOUSLY saying that the hostile cyber actions Russia (and probably others) have been undertaking in recent years has been more damaging to the UK and other democracies than this pandemic which has killed tens of thousands of people, crippled many (most?) small "average joe" businesses like Doctor Bobs worldwide and will propably kick off another recession as the ongoing effects continue?
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