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Whichever one of you Gents wrote, QUOTE: Mod edit: quite a few posters not using the Quote facility. DIY quoting makes the post less than clear and at times difficult to read. Anybody having problems please drop a post in site-updates.html where help is available. UNQUOTE:

Sorry, and I'm NOT trying to break the rules, but IMO anyway, what I wrote in the post above explains clearly why I don't often use the Forum "quote" button facility.

With all due respect, I doubt very much whether anyone can say that, for just one example, what I've written above in this post is NOT clear.

Whereas, I find that the use of the Forum "quote" facility is NOT so clear when several quotes by different posters are concerned - all I see in such cases is different boxes with SLIGHTLY different shades of light blue or light grey separating them. In such cases, I find that THOSE are the posts that become difficult to read. I believe my use of the "@X you wrote: QUOTE: ............ UNQUOTE:" as above is much clearer and cannot be misunderstood.

As already said in my apology to MikeG above however, I do accept that the case of multiple quotes did NOT apply in the above case - I simply missed MikeG's "quote". Sorry.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

....... Basic discipline in schools would be a good start.......

Have you some evidence that schools don't have good discipline? My wife has been teaching for nearly 35 years and says that discipline and respect are in excellent shape now, and that wasn't always the case last century. This isn't some elitist corner of a rich part of Britain, but a school on an estate in a difficult part of a large town.

Apologies for not replying sooner, Mike. Had things to do this afternoon.

One example is my late sister's experience of living near one of the larger schools in the area. She found that attitude of the school's pupils reflected the attitude of the head teacher (and thus, by extension, the staff more generally) to discipline. One head, on hearing of damage to her front garden, took immediate action, and no further problems were experienced. The next head took a rather laid back approach ("kids will be kids, you know") resulting in a spate of problems in the area leading to local councillors becoming involved. The problems were only resolved when that head moved on - or was moved on.

That's anecdotal, and whilst absolutely true, is still anecdotal. This isn't anecdotal - it's a long-form discussion between a head teacher who was concerned about the state of education, and voiced her concerns in a very public forum - a Conservative Party conference. She went on to not just talk about her concerns, but do something about it - set up a free school, in inner-city Brent. The 'interviewers' are Francis Foster (a teacher himself) and Konstantin Kisin (a Russian), between them making up Triggernometry, a Youtube channel I've found most informative about current affairs. It's a long interview, but covers a lot of ground, and is well worth the time, I think. The question of discipline is covered fairly early on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXtlS-6y5u4

NOTE - For the avoidance of doubt, I'm NOT trying to 'have a go' at teachers, most of whom just want to get on and teach, I suspect. I'm also glad to hear that your wife's experience is currently good.

 

[FatmanG]

Im beginning to think this forum is frequented by rich old men that have actually no idea wtf they are talking about.
Discipline that you all refer to happened probably in a middle class loving home which is all very well and maybe character building. Unfortunately life isnt so for everyone and some of us are brought up in care homes or dont have a regular father to meter out this discipline you speak of. God some of you make me sick. Absolute w////////ers.
This wonderful era you talk of brings up god only knows how many cover ups. Jimmy Saville relied on your kind of mentality.
VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE

 

[Chris152]

'The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.'

Socrates (allegedly).

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Im beginning to think this forum is frequented by rich old men that have actually no idea wtf they are talking about.
Discipline that you all refer to happened probably in a middle class loving home which is all very well and maybe character building. Unfortunately life isnt so for everyone and some of us are brought up in care homes or dont have a regular father to meter out this discipline you speak of. God some of you make me sick. Absolute w////////ers.
This wonderful era you talk of brings up god only knows how many cover ups. Jimmy Saville relied on your kind of mentality.
VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE

That is precisely what I (and most of the others, I think) am NOT talking about.

Take the time to watch the YouTube interview I posted. Francis Foster makes the point that for some children growing up in less than perfect conditions, the structure of school can offer the one safe place they know, provided the general level of discipline is such that they can feel safe.

 

[FatmanG]

RUBBISH

 

[ColeyS1]

Very strange feeling right now. Fingers crossed the jobs on the to do list will still be there in a few months time. Has there been any mention from the government for helping the self employed yet?

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

 

[Rorschach]

Not yet, hoping for it myself otherwise I have zero income for the next few months at least.

 

[That would work]

RUBBISH

That's a foolish thing to say Fatman.
I've taught since 1986 in schools in African and several English schools.
I could could give many examples of where schools have provdied young people with a safe and stable environment that they crave. To suggest that that is rubbish is well....
Really???????

 

[FatmanG]

really so what do you propose the wrack for insubordination or the cane for laughing im interested in the proposals

 

[Lons]

Im beginning to think this forum is frequented by rich old men that have actually no idea wtf they are talking about.
Discipline that you all refer to happened probably in a middle class loving home which is all very well and maybe character building. Unfortunately life isnt so for everyone and some of us are brought up in care homes or dont have a regular father to meter out this discipline you speak of. God some of you make me sick. Absolute w////////ers.
This wonderful era you talk of brings up god only knows how many cover ups. Jimmy Saville relied on your kind of mentality.
VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE

I'm not quite sure how you come to that conclusion tbh I think all I read just relates to personal experience. I seriously doubt any person on this forum would make light of a person who presumably had a hard time in care and certainly not condone the actions of Jimmy Saville or others like him.

I'll clarify my situation if it helps. I'm eldest of 9 kids, had 4 brothers & 4 sisters. My father was a coal miner, mother was Austrian and we lived in a council house in a small mining village where she was treated with hostility because anyone with German language was hated after the war. She won people over and my parents really struggled financially however I was brought up to respect anyone in authority, grown ups in general and a smack across a clothed backside was a reasonable lesson to learn when deserved.

Rich, you're having a laugh surely.

 

[MikeG.]

Could we take the schools discipline thing to another thread, folks. This subject doesn't need diversion.

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I'm in day 7, if you count the rather mild start last Monday. After day 5 I was starting to win, and until lunchtime today I was well ahead on points. Then bam.........my opponent started landing some good punches, and has certainly taken the last round on points. I'm dizzy, got my temperature back, and now I have an upset stomach to add to the list. This fight isn't over until it's over. I feel pretty rough right now.

My wife seems to have had it all a bit worse than me. Higher temperature, bigger cough, worse lethargy. Things aren't great this evening.

 

[Lons]

Sorry to hear that Mike, you won't be flavour of the month for bringing it home then?

 

[Bm101]

My best wishes Mike.
These are worrying times all.
Health, finances, kids and family. The very things we hold dearest are under threat and worse we feel powerless to protect those things.
Be strong. Take a breath. Think before you speak. Community is everything at every level and that's coming from someone who has practised social distancing for years. I'm a social distancing fookin hipster in relative terms.
Be nice. It's much harder than being scared and far more rewarding to all involved.
Regards
Stay tough.
Chris

 

[FatmanG]

Im beginning to think this forum is frequented by rich old men that have actually no idea wtf they are talking about.
Discipline that you all refer to happened probably in a middle class loving home which is all very well and maybe character building. Unfortunately life isnt so for everyone and some of us are brought up in care homes or dont have a regular father to meter out this discipline you speak of. God some of you make me sick. Absolute w////////ers.
This wonderful era you talk of brings up god only knows how many cover ups. Jimmy Saville relied on your kind of mentality.
VIOLENCE BREEDS VIOLENCE

I'm not quite sure how you come to that conclusion tbh I think all I read just relates to personal experience. I seriously doubt any person on this forum would make light of a person who presumably had a hard time in care and certainly not condone the actions of Jimmy Saville or others like him.


I'll clarify my situation if it helps. I'm eldest of 9 kids, had 4 brothers & 4 sisters. My father was a coal miner, mother was Austrian and we lived in a council house in a small mining village where she was treated with hostility because anyone with German language was hated after the war. She won people over and my parents really struggled financially however I was brought up to respect anyone in authority, grown ups in general and a smack across a clothed backside was a reasonable lesson to learn when deserved.

Rich, you're having a laugh surely.

anyone who advocates the use of physical violence as discipline is old and usually public schooled educated. you know absolutely nothing about my situation. i further add your talking absolute sheeeite

 

[Blackswanwood]

FatmanG - it’s clearly something you feel strongly about and I know you are worried about Covid19 so may not be your usual self. I also err towards your view. Let’s not turn this into a slanging match though.

 

[FatmanG]

i wont say anything else mate i genuinely appreciate your post

 

[thetyreman]

Could we take the schools discipline thing to another thread, folks. This subject doesn't need diversion.

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I'm in day 7, if you count the rather mild start last Monday. After day 5 I was starting to win, and until lunchtime today I was well ahead on points. Then bam.........my opponent started landing some good punches, and has certainly taken the last round on points. I'm dizzy, got my temperature back, and now I have an upset stomach to add to the list. This fight isn't over until it's over. I feel pretty rough right now.

My wife seems to have had it all a bit worse than me. Higher temperature, bigger cough, worse lethargy. Things aren't great this evening.

hope you and your wife feel better soon Mike, I have a friend who has had it and he said similar things about the symptoms, around 7 days before you feel normal again, lets hope the worst of it is over for you, take it easy.

 

[Blackswanwood]

i wont say anything else mate i genuinely appreciate your post

Top man - I’m in your neck of the woods so when all this kerfuffle blows over let’s resolve to catch up and talk woodwork!

 

[Cheshirechappie]

New measures to combat coronavirus.

All non-essential shops shut.
Only leave home for essential reasons (buy food, medicines, etc) or once a day for exercise.
All gatherings of more than two people banned, except for funerals.
Sweeping police powers.

Review after three weeks.

Strewth. Not really got head round this, yet.

Article with video of PM's statement.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ckdown-uk/