Combined Flu ***

[Lons]

My grandfather died of TB. My uncle had diphtheria. My father had polio. I had measles that very nearly killed me. My boy died of myocarditis caused by covid. I'll take the jabs, thank you very much.

Exactly Phil and if anyone read the list of "possible" side effects and the hysteria from naysayers then refused medication they may well have paid the ultimate price. Doing research and asking questions is fine and sensible but it's human nature to then pick out only what they want to believe.

My wife has Parkinsons, still relatively early stages but kepr stable and under control by drugs. There is no cure and the drugs can have serious side effects but should she refuse them? Not a chance.

 

[naughtymoose]

My boy died of myocarditis caused by covid.

Truly saddened to hear this, Phil.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Thank you. I had covid, three days of a very mild cold. I passed it to him, he was 20, fit, didn't smoke, do any drugs or anything. Four days from being healthy to being dead. He wasn't vaccinated, the daft thing was that he wasn't anti vaccine, he just didn't get around to it. The consultant at the time said whether it would have made a difference no one would ever know.

 

[Jacob]

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If anyone doesn't want to be vaccinated, then fine - don't bother.....

Except that you are more likely to catch whatever it is, more likely make demands and be a cost to the NHS / other carers, more likely to be spreading it too.
It's a social responsibility.
Not taking them could be seen as not only stupid but also selfish and inconsiderate.
If in doubt talk to a normal doctor. Do not listen to the nutters.

As the fairground notices say: 'You ride at your own risk'.

If you don't take them you could be a risk to others.
We've just had our flu/covid shots. Seems quite side-effect free for me, 'er indoors says her arms ache.

 

[Deadeye]

I had the two separate ones at the same time last year and felt no adverse effects. I doubt whether this one would be any different but have no degrees in immunology to back it up.

Pete

I do have a degree in virology. And published, peer reviewed, research.
We know about side effects precisely because the process is rigorous.
For context, if I inject you with a sterile needle and a small bolus of sterile saline, you have approximately a 1 in 10^6 chance of a serious anaphylactic reaction.

Vaccine-scepticism is ignorant and heart-breaking. What's terrifying is that misinformation from invalidated sources on the internet seems far more credible and "sticky" to some people than the generally simpler, more credible, better evidenced but sometimes prosaic truth - which is that vaccines overwhelmingly save lives. No "short cuts" have been taken with the Covid vaccines; what has been achieved is an unprecedented collaborative global execution of the trials protocol in order to reach a definitive outcome as quickly as possible.

 

[Deadeye]

Proof of Vaccine Harm?



Linked BMJ document:

https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282

You do see the highlighted box at the top of that, which - very politely - says it's misrepresentational and under investigation? Here, let me help you: https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282eoc

Jeez. I do wish people wouldn't post things they don't understand without even reading them properly.

 

[Drifter2406]

I've just had covid booster and flu. No concerns. as far as I know I've never had covid. Certainly never had a positive test or any worrying symptoms. In my view we are fortunate to have this kind of service readily available in the UK. As for the vaccine alarmists - their choice but really they should waive the NHS from treating them if they get covid.

And if you have the occasional drink you should not get any treatment for any type of Liver complaint, or if you BMI is not perfect so should not get treated for anything like heart disease or anything in connection with being overweight maybe? My Mother in Law died of the Covid Vaccine, quite a horrible death, was not recorded as such because heaven forbid anyone saying anything negative about it, even if there have been many facts exposed since but admitted by the doctors who treated here. If you wish to have anything injected feel free, but others have a point of view and should be respected for that as well.

 

[Yorkieguy]

Except that you are more likely to catch whatever it is, more likely make demands and be a cost to the NHS / other carers, more likely to be spreading it too.
It's a social responsibility.
Not taking them could be seen as not only stupid but also selfish and inconsiderate.
If in doubt talk to a normal doctor. Do not listen to the nutters.

If you don't take them you could be a risk to others.
We've just had our flu/covid shots. Seems quite side-effect free for me, 'er indoors says her arms ache.

I’m with you on that.

Compliance is generally high, and if we hark back to when the vaccine became available, people were buying and becoming very ill from Covid. To my mind, and I haven’t changed my view,

Anyone who says: ‘I’m not going to have it because I don’t think it’s safe’ is rather like someone being at the window of a high-rise building on fire, and a firefighter is at the window with a ladder saying ‘climb on’ but they say ‘I’m not getting on that - it doesn’t look safe to me so I’ll jump instead’.

Incidentally, as to ‘social responsibility’ though NHS staff are encouraged to have the Covid and ‘Flu jabs, it isn’t mandatory and by no means all do, despite the risk of there being a high viral load in hospitals on occasions.

Rather too many people place more trust in the ‘Karens’ and ‘Kens’ on social media that the Chief Medical Officer.

 

[artie]

And if you have the occasional drink you should not get any treatment for any type of Liver complaint, or if you BMI is not perfect so should not get treated for anything like heart disease or anything in connection with being overweight maybe? My Mother in Law died of the Covid Vaccine, quite a horrible death, was not recorded as such because heaven forbid anyone saying anything negative about it, even if there have been many facts exposed since but admitted by the doctors who treated here. If you wish to have anything injected feel free, but others have a point of view and should be respected for that as well.

Anyone who died within 28 days of testing positive for covid was counted as a covid death.

Imagine if the same standard was applied to anyone who died within 28 days of getting the vax.

 

[Chris152]

Gawd blimey we're not going down that wormhole again are we?

 

[Jacob]

Anyone who died within 28 days of testing positive for covid was counted as a covid death.

Not true.
Information here. But don't waste your time you won't understand it.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...vid19testandonsmethodologyforcovid19reporting

 

[Deadeye]

My Mother in Law died of the Covid Vaccine, quite a horrible death, was not recorded as such because heaven forbid anyone saying anything negative about it,

Or perhaps she died, more credibly but more prosaically, of whatever the doctors looking after her wrote on the legal form that they completed. Perhaps the idea that those professionals, who have total freedom to report accurately (and no incentive not to), did not just abandon their professional ethics in order to support a conspiracy that's in your head.

I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. Please don't malign the medical profession.

 

[RobNichols]

I had both jabs on Saturday. All good - just a pair of sore shoulders.

 

[Deadeye]

Anyone who died within 28 days of testing positive for covid was counted as a covid death.

Imagine if the same standard was applied to anyone who died within 28 days of getting the vax.

Twaddle. Please just stop.

 

[Lons]

...................Jeez. I do wish people wouldn't post things they don't understand without even reading them properly.

+1
That'll be the day. It's never going to happen.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I had both jabs on Saturday. All good - just a pair of sore shoulders.

I have both to come this saturday. I had a second shingles *** several weeks ago - my arm was sore for a week or more, more sore that it's ever been from a flu, covid or pneumonia ***.

 

[Drifter2406]

Or perhaps she died, more credibly but more prosaically, of whatever the doctors looking after her wrote on the legal form that they completed. Perhaps the idea that those professionals, who have total freedom to report accurately (and no incentive not to), did not just abandon their professional ethics in order to support a conspiracy that's in your head.

I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. Please don't malign the medical profession.

Total freedom? Wow, you really are that narrow minded. When you have a person who is very active and reacted to the vaccine like so many other thousands that have been reported on, within 24hrs was in intensive care, 24hours after that was gone and put down to old age, but heaven forbid anyone saying or dying to go against your point of view because that simply couldn't happen could it? Unfortunately too many people like you have been brainwashed into believing anything your told, makes you look foolish. Oh and buy the way I did have 2 jabs until this happened, after I looked at other FACTS I decided not to have any more.

 

[Krome10]

Except that you are more likely to catch whatever it is, more likely make demands and be a cost to the NHS / other carers, more likely to be spreading it too.
It's a social responsibility.
Not taking them could be seen as not only stupid but also selfish and inconsiderate.

Smoking.
Alcohol.
Obesity.
Processed meat overconsumption (perhaps even all meat and dairy).
Processed food overconsumption.
Too much sugar.
Too much salt.
Contact sports.
Skydiving.
Mountain hiking.
Motorbikes.
The list is endless...

I'm not sure how "not only stupid but selfish and inconsiderate" doesn't apply to this lot as well...

 

[Jacob]

Total freedom? Wow, you really are that narrow minded. When you have a person who is very active and reacted to the vaccine like so many other thousands that have been reported on, within 24hrs was in intensive care, 24hours after that was gone and put down to old age, but heaven forbid anyone saying or dying to go against your point of view because that simply couldn't happen could it?

Nobody says it can't happen. Unfortunately happens in rare cases but nevertheless a net life saver for the community as a whole.
All treatments (everything in life?) can have side effects - just have a look at the bit of paper which comes with your next prescription.

Unfortunately too many people like you have been brainwashed into believing anything your told, makes you look foolish.

Foolish is not see it as a rare and unfortunate side effect.

Oh and buy the way I did have 2 jabs until this happened, after I looked at other FACTS I decided not to have any more.

Putting yourself and others at risk because you don't really understand what's going on.

 

[Jacob]

Smoking.
Alcohol.
Obesity.
Processed meat overconsumption (perhaps even all meat and dairy).
Processed food overconsumption.
Too much sugar.
Too much salt.
Contact sports.
Skydiving.
Mountain hiking.
Motorbikes.
The list is endless...

I'm not sure how "not only stupid but selfish and inconsiderate" doesn't apply to this lot as well...

It's a trade off. Not either/or. Life itself is a high risk.