Presumably the trumps of this world imagine they will be somewhat insulated from the consequences for a while, as they head off in their private jets to more temperate locations on the globe, buying up land and securing the gates to their private compounds. Can't think of any other reason why they're so complacent, except of course complete ignorance, which I doubt.
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BC'er
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Billionaires are generally insulated against everything except time, vices and bad luck. Since most of them fully support your ideas as they jet about the world doing all the usual things such as planning how to turn you into a pedestrian living in a ville de quarte d'heure spending your digital ration coupons on whatever your social credit score permits you to buy each week, I'm not sure what you and Jacob are so worried about. They've got the whole matter in hand and you're going to own nothing and be very, very happy, let me assure you. And if you aren't you'll soon learn to pretend that you are.
So yes, enjoy the time you've got left.
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Remember acid rain - when did you last hear about it
It's still happening but at a fraction of the level, figures above for UK, Poland still an issue for Europe, China making big improvements.
My point is that however bad things get we can still do better than we are. Over all we now use less electricity (2012, 318 TWh : 2023, 250 TWh) and it comes from cleaner sources.
With meat, not just cattle we all know what we need to do. Stop raising meat in South America and shipping it across the world and just eat less of it. As a family we have made a small start in reducing the meat we eat by about a third and buying local (it's better quality) as much as possible. The net cost is very similar and our diet is a bit healthier.
Maybe have another crack at editing that? Might make some sense next time.Billionaires are generally insulated against everything except time, vices and bad luck. Since most of them fully support your ideas as they jet about the world doing all the usual things such as planning how to turn you into a pedestrian living in a ville de quarte d'heure spending your digital ration coupons on whatever your social credit score permits you to buy each week, I'm not sure what you and Jacob are so worried about. They've got the whole matter in hand and you're going to own nothing and be very, very happy, let me assure you. And if you aren't you'll soon learn to pretend that you are.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Getting ready for the apocalypse: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/10/doomsday-prepping-america
BC'er
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I'm sorry to hear that a four line sentence was too much for you to follow; think of it as a little mental exercise.
Unfortunately Robin, your visualization of the world and what is happening in it and why is merely an illusion. Let us hope it is a childish illusion based on what is politely called a lack of information, rather than the product of selective blindness induced by ideology. I say that realizing that the odds are against the former as many people go through life not much wiser and not much more informed at their end than they were at their beginning. No need to mention any names.
Monomaniacal adherence to tribalism, ideology or "party lines" is a hallmark of people who cannot or will not think; who prefer the pseudo-religious comforts of "certainty" to the effort required to inform themselves and draw rational conclusions from what is observable, however uncomfortable those conclusions may be. Moral cowardice is one term for this phenomenon.
The attitude to the rise of Nazism in the 1930s was a classic example of such self-delusion. The attitude of the left to the USSR and later the PRC was even more egregious.
Those historical experiences convinced people with the wits to see the obvious that the real divide in politics and ideology is between those who understand the essential primacy of individual rights and freedoms and those who do not. The excuses for attacking and diminishing individual freedoms change like the weather, the effect of doing so is perpetual, and the trend once begun usually ends in mass murder and misery which can last for generations.
We have today and for the time being, access to a variety of information unparalleled in human history. We're wise to avail ourselves of that opportunity while we can. What you will find may well be very frightening and depressing and our emotional predisposition is to look away, but better to face reality before reality "gets in your face", because it will and soon.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
So after all your efforts what conclusions did you come to on the subject? Climate change that is, in case you've forgotten.
Many words, little meaning.I'm sorry to hear that a four line sentence was too much for you to follow; think of it as a little mental exercise.
Unfortunately Robin, your visualization of the world and what is happening in it and why is merely an illusion. Let us hope it is a childish illusion based on what is politely called a lack of information, rather than the product of selective blindness induced by ideology. I say that realizing that the odds are against the former as many people go through life not much wiser and not much more informed at their end than they were at their beginning. No need to mention any names.
Monomaniacal adherence to tribalism, ideology or "party lines" is a hallmark of people who cannot or will not think; who prefer the pseudo-religious comforts of "certainty" to the effort required to inform themselves and draw rational conclusions from what is observable, however uncomfortable those conclusions may be. Moral cowardice is one term for this phenomenon.
The attitude to the rise of Nazism in the 1930s was a classic example of such self-delusion. The attitude of the left to the USSR and later the PRC was even more egregious.
Those historical experiences convinced people with the wits to see the obvious that the real divide in politics and ideology is between those who understand the essential primacy of individual rights and freedoms and those who do not. The excuses for attacking and diminishing individual freedoms change like the weather, the effect of doing so is perpetual, and the trend once begun usually ends in mass murder and misery which can last for generations.
We have today and for the time being, access to a variety of information unparalleled in human history. We're wise to avail ourselves of that opportunity while we can. What you will find may well be very frightening and depressing and our emotional predisposition is to look away, but better to face reality before reality "gets in your face", because it will and soon.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
woodieallen
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Have another go. I know there are lots of words to try and comprehend. A struggle for some, I accept but, y'know, sometimes you just have to persevere if you are to gain understanding.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Would you care to give us a summary of what he was struggling to say?
BC'er
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I've noticed your responses are typically very weak, if not non-existent. In fact you seem to deliberately avoid debate.
This could be a sign of someone who just can't argue cogently, but you seem to have a great deal to say elsewhere so the contrast is rather striking.
In my observation there are two predominant types that display this pattern: those who are paid or unpaid shills who join online forums to propagandize on behalf of their employers or whatever tribe they belong to. Their role is throw as much as much mud at the wall on their shift as they can, so debate merely distracts from their task.
Then there are the people who feel compelled to share their amazing insights with the rest of humanity; this kind can't take the time out from their primary mission to argue with dissenters; they've got so much revealed wisdom which lesser mortals urgently need to hear!
The latter group divides into poor little souls whose only outlet in life is such virtual Hyde Park Corners and whose battered egos cannot take the risk of any further injury, and finally the narcissists of some degree who simply can't handle any disagreement and perceive it as a personal attack.
Ah Jacob, nice to see you again old chap; how's that "hot air" meter of yours doing? Now reading 31,340 I see?
"And so to bed".
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
So nothing to say on the topic of climate change? We are all waiting with bated breath!I've noticed your responses are typically very weak, if not non-existent. In fact you seem to deliberately avoid debate.
This could be a sign of someone who just can't argue cogently, but you seem to have a great deal to say elsewhere so the contrast is rather striking.
In my observation there are two predominant types that display this pattern: those who are paid or unpaid shills who join online forums to propagandize on behalf of their employers or whatever tribe they belong to. Their role is throw as much as much mud at the wall on their shift as they can, so debate merely distracts from their task.
Then there are the people who feel compelled to share their amazing insights with the rest of humanity; this kind can't take the time out from their primary mission to argue with dissenters; they've got so much revealed wisdom which lesser mortals urgently need to hear!
The latter group divides into poor little souls whose only outlet in life is such virtual Hyde Park Corners and whose battered egos cannot take the risk of any further injury, and finally the narcissists of some degree who simply can't handle any disagreement and perceive it as a personal attack.
Ah Jacob, nice to see you again old chap; how's that "hot air" meter of yours doing? Now reading 31,340 I see?
"And so to bed".
I prefer not to argue with nonsense. What would be the point?I've noticed your responses are typically very weak, if not non-existent. In fact you seem to deliberately avoid debate.
This could be a sign of someone who just can't argue cogently, but you seem to have a great deal to say elsewhere so the contrast is rather striking.
In my observation there are two predominant types that display this pattern: those who are paid or unpaid shills who join online forums to propagandize on behalf of their employers or whatever tribe they belong to. Their role is throw as much as much mud at the wall on their shift as they can, so debate merely distracts from their task.
Then there are the people who feel compelled to share their amazing insights with the rest of humanity; this kind can't take the time out from their primary mission to argue with dissenters; they've got so much revealed wisdom which lesser mortals urgently need to hear!
The latter group divides into poor little souls whose only outlet in life is such virtual Hyde Park Corners and whose battered egos cannot take the risk of any further injury, and finally the narcissists of some degree who simply can't handle any disagreement and perceive it as a personal attack.
Ah Jacob, nice to see you again old chap; how's that "hot air" meter of yours doing? Now reading 31,340 I see?
"And so to bed".
Maybe start your own thread on the psychology of contributors to the forum/ the world at large? I'm sure it'd be fascinating.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
You'd think he'd have something to say on the subject of the thread - he does make a huge effort to string words together!
I've noticed your responses are typically very weak, if not non-existent. In fact you seem to deliberately avoid debate.
This could be a sign of someone who just can't argue cogently, but you seem to have a great deal to say elsewhere so the contrast is rather striking.
In my observation there are two predominant types that display this pattern: those who are paid or unpaid shills who join online forums to propagandize on behalf of their employers or whatever tribe they belong to. Their role is throw as much as much mud at the wall on their shift as they can, so debate merely distracts from their task.
Then there are the people who feel compelled to share their amazing insights with the rest of humanity; this kind can't take the time out from their primary mission to argue with dissenters; they've got so much revealed wisdom which lesser mortals urgently need to hear!
The latter group divides into poor little souls whose only outlet in life is such virtual Hyde Park Corners and whose battered egos cannot take the risk of any further injury, and finally the narcissists of some degree who simply can't handle any disagreement and perceive it as a personal attack.
Ah Jacob, nice to see you again old chap; how's that "hot air" meter of yours doing? Now reading 31,340 I see?
"And so to bed".
So you're personally attacking an individual - and not discussing the topic at hand. Got it. I think. Although you've used a lot of words and implied that they are relevant to someone, without actually giving any evidence that your words fit that someone.
Oh, for what it's worth, I see much more of your diatribe in your behaviour, rather than anyone else's (whether that's Robin, whom you named, after quoting Chris's post, for instance, so I don't know to whom you were referring when crafting those generic words!)
