Bringing goods from the EU

[Droogs]

Singapore don't allow dual citizenship, if you want to be part of their country, you commit to it.

People would find a way round the £15k limit, for example form a limited company in the Cayman Islands, and loan it lots of your money, then it's technically the company's not your private money.

I have an offshore bank account that I still use since it has a sort code, when I sell my property I'll instantly become a criminal and have all my money forfeited... unless there's a rule allowing certain situations, which will then need adjusting as more problems are found, and then people use those changes as loopholes.

Simple, make it also illegal for a mainland domiciled person to own an off-shore limited company, you can only invest in PLCs. ~If you live here then be registered here for your business activities and pay UK tax. Any overseas earnings from foreign companies registered in known tax havens are taxed at 70% and anything bought with money held overseas has the 200% JRM Britannia Jingoist Git Tax applied to it. Also MPs must give up all holdings in non UK companies within 60 days of being elected. If you are Joe Bloggs then you get 90 days to sort your affairs and bring the cash home for proper taxation.

The whole point of the act is to stop the gits that shafted and lied to us from making any profit from it

 

[Noel]

Simple, make it also illegal for a mainland domiciled person to own an off-shore limited company, you can only invest in PLCs. ~If you live here then be registered here for your business activities and pay UK tax. Any overseas earnings from foreign companies registered in known tax havens are taxed at 70% and anything bought with money held overseas has the 200% JRM Britannia Jingoist Git Tax applied to it. Also MPs must give up all holdings in non UK companies within 60 days of being elected. If you are Joe Bloggs then you get 90 days to sort your affairs and bring the cash home for proper taxation.

The whole point of the act is to stop the gits that shafted and lied to us from making any profit from it

Yep and make it a rule that any sitting/future MPs have only one job to do- represent their constituents. No 50 grand a year for 5 mins "work" for an excavator manufacturer or 100 grand a year advising pharma PLCs or sitting on the board of some city investment fund. If 80k a year plus expenses isn't enough don't stand as a candidate.
Oh. and ditch FPTP, introduce PR voting or similar.

 

[Lefley]

I'm not surprised as it supports your view more. I like my other forum as it supports my view more. But accept I have really not changed my opinion one bit.
It's tribalism, exactly like football for politically minded.


Although to be honest Jacob, your home team is not remain but Jeremy Corbyn but even when relegation happens the love continues.

What is the other forum. As a Canadian I’d like to read both sides of this story?

 

[Lefley]

Seems like a big winner in all this I’d the government they get to charge 20 vat on everything you guys import from the eu now!

 

[clogs]

for the prime minister and down.....
Honesty and truthfulness should start at the top, no wonder people try to wriggle out of paying tax.....etc....

Cameron lost a brilliant oppertunity to stop all the fiddling at the top (floating duck houses etc).....
all MPs and families etc should have all their tax doucuments open to public scrutiny.....
any wrong doing should be a prison offence with all such profits convfiscated and double the amount as a fine.....
with no social security payments for the same family for 10 years....
and if you don't like get a normal job....
that way we may just get on with making the UK a great place again.....

MP's should see working for the country an honour not a way of filling their pockets....

And as for selling brilliant idea's, the Uk does not really encourage those kinda people...
Get a good idea and take it to the US etc and make ur profit, who can blame them.....

All genuine research should be free of tax and VAT........only paying when products go to market......

 

[doctor Bob]

What is the other forum. As a Canadian I’d like to read both sides of this story?

I think it ran to 4000 pages, so I wouldn't bother, just read will as won't, should as shouldn't, the calling each other asreholes still happened, etc etc

 

[doctor Bob]

for the prime minister and down.....
Honesty and truthfulness should start at the top, no wonder people try to wriggle out of paying tax.....etc....

Cameron lost a brilliant oppertunity to stop all the fiddling at the top (floating duck houses etc).....
all MPs and families etc should have all their tax doucuments open to public scrutiny.....
any wrong doing should be a prison offence with all such profits convfiscated and double the amount as a fine.....
with no social security payments for the same family for 10 years....
and if you don't like get a normal job....
that way we may just get on with making the UK a great place again.....

MP's should see working for the country an honour not a way of filling their pockets....

And as for selling brilliant idea's, the Uk does not really encourage those kinda people...
Get a good idea and take it to the US etc and make ur profit, who can blame them.....

All genuine research should be free of tax and VAT........only paying when products go to market......

MP's salary is £81000, yes it's a nice salary, but if you have brains you will get that as a graduate salary plus bonus in the city. Could easily be on 6 figures at 22, 7 figures by 30. This is why MP's are generally very mediocre

 

[doctor Bob]

This one's OK cos it's all quite civilised - so far!
People seemed to be real upset by all the political stuff, which is interesting in itself. It's as though they were really surprised and shocked to hear opinions different from their own. Personally I'm quite used to it!

No I think it's because we have left, therefore most posts are from remainers explaining how it will all go wrong or has gone wrong. Pretty evident if you read the thread through. Pro brexit folks probably feel no need to post. As mentioned before I feel no need to debate or rationalise, as it is done. My recent posts have been more about the uefulness of political internet debates / arguements.
I said it was like football tribalism before, the game is over, remainer FC lost by a couple of dubious goals / offsides etc. Brexit FC fans are going home happy, thinking about whats on the tele, Remainer FC fans are down the pub, slagging off their teams performance, the "if onlys", we'll do them next time, crap manager (JC).

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I have said for years that the number of MPs should be reduced to 200 and that they should be paid £250,000 p.a. ...........
out of which they should pay their own tax deductible expenses other than legitimate 2nd class travel to and from London. They should have accommodation provided if necessary - there'll be enough bankrupt hotels on the market soon that could be bought and used. No taxpayer subsidised second homes.
As Dr. Bob said - a starting salary for a qualified solicitor at the law firm my cousin's a partner in in London is £90,000.

 

[Jacob]

..... As mentioned before I feel no need to debate or rationalise,

Doesn't seem to be stopping you! In fact I'm sure you've mentioned it before!

... My recent posts have been more about the uefulness of political internet debates / arguements.
...

It's the main-spring of democracy and absolutely fundamental to the way we live. When the talking stops you know things have really gone wrong.

 

[billw]

We live in an individualistic, capitalist, materialist society and people are surprised that MPs do everything they can to enrich themselves?

evne if they get caught then political tribalism kicks in and their party bends over backwards to justify their behaviour. Look at the Priti Patel example (I don’t know all the facts though,willing to be corrected) for how being a bully in the workplace is apparently just fine.

 

[Awac]

No I think it's because we have left, therefore most posts are from remainers explaining how it will all go wrong or has gone wrong. Pretty evident if you read the thread through. Pro brexit folks probably feel no need to post. As mentioned before I feel no need to debate or rationalise, as it is done. My recent posts have been more about the uefulness of political internet debates / arguements.
I said it was like football tribalism before, the game is over, remainer FC lost by a couple of dubious goals / offsides etc. Brexit FC fans are going home happy, thinking about whats on the tele, Remainer FC fans are down the pub, slagging off their teams performance, the "if onlys", we'll do them next time, rubbish manager (JC).

I think you'll find it is the Brexit fans in the pub....

"In the distance and through the darkness we can see the brightly illuminated pub sign of our destination"-Boris Johnstone (New year message). Us Remainers have gone home to read the Guardian....

 

[billw]

Whilst I didn’t vote in the referendum, I was in Gibraltar at the time and my residency missed the deadline to be registered by a few weeks ( hardly mattered there though lol) I think it’s a shame we left but it’s happened and we need to look forward.

Problem is all I see right now is a lot of people being jingoistic, xenophobic, and flag waving nationalists feeling all smug about being British before going home for a jolly nice cup of tea (from India, but that’s ok because “it was once ours”) and thinking job done.

So erm.... exactly what IS the plan? Sign a few trade agreements? Most of them don’t seem to change much at all. The US one would be detrimental to our standards and I have yet to see anything where we gain a tangible benefit on exports.

What jobs are we going to do? Finance jobs are going to Frankfurt and Paris, manufacturing jobs mostly left anyway although we do have a wealth of high-tech manufacturing left I agree.

I laughed when someone lauded BMW’s announcement that they’re shifting all their ICE production to the U.K. Surely that means they see no future in making stuff here so we’ve been given the tech that’s being phase out and all the electrical powertrains will be made abroad.

So my view is this country now has no direction, no obvious plan, and a leader who is full of sound bites and sorely lacking in any sort of desire to put things into action.

 

[Awac]

MP's salary is £81000, yes it's a nice salary, but if you have brains you will get that as a graduate salary plus bonus in the city. Could easily be on 6 figures at 22, 7 figures by 30. This is why MP's are generally very mediocre

As Clogs said:

"MP's should see working for the country an honour not a way of filling their pockets...."

If you are good at your job as an MP, after you leave your paltry £81k pa job, you could pick up all manner of consultancy work, probably at more than minimum wage. It should be a stepping stone where you show how good you are....and if you are at the end of your working life and you have been earning 6-7 figure sums, don't you think you could afford to accept only £81k.
"Each commodity has a use value, measured by its usefulness in satisfying needs and wants", how much do you think a politician is worth? Thanks Karl.

 

[doctor Bob]

How much do you think a politician is worth? Thanks Karl.

Depends, very broard span, starting at the bottom, an alcoholic EU leader, nothing.

 

[sploo]

I said it was like football tribalism before, the game is over, remainer FC lost by a couple of dubious goals / offsides etc. Brexit FC fans are going home happy, thinking about whats on the tele, Remainer FC fans are down the pub, slagging off their teams performance, the "if onlys", we'll do them next time, rubbish manager (JC).

Bob, I hate to point out that the above is an analogy

(I don't disagree with it though)

 

[sploo]

The whole point of the act is to stop the gits that shafted and lied to us from making any profit from it

The problem Droogs, is that the lying gits that shafted us are currently in charge! I.e. I think it's rather unlikely that any such changes would happen.

 

[Awac]

Depends, very broard span, starting at the bottom, an alcoholic EU leader, nothing.

LOL. No need to go as far as Europe....he is leading the charge!
"In the distance and through the darkness we can see the brightly illuminated pub sign of our destination"-Boris Johnstone (New year message).

 

[RobinBHM]

The best strategy is now to accept the outcome and focus on making it work - anything else is quite simply futile waste of energy.

The difficulty is that until the lies, misinformation, gaslighting and populist strategies are ended, the division will continue.

The last few days has seen MPs on Twitter busy pushing more brexit dishonest propaganda:

here is one example:

Steve Baker proclaims: "the govt is now getting rod of 5% VAT on sanitary products....which it can now do because of brexit."
(Steve Bake voted against removing that tax 5 years ago)


Do you think I should say "oh its fine being lied to, I mustnt complain, I must make it all work"

the only way division will end is when the lying stops.....and that will only happen when people discover "sovereignty" (whatever that is) doesnt protect them from personal hardship

 

[RobinBHM]

given the number of concessions made to sign a deal (e.g. acceptance of penalties for diverging standards)

What it means in reality is that the trade deal was really only a kicking the can down the road -because it means more and more negotiations. In reality the drive to free up trade with the worlds largest customs union means the UK will slowly negotiate closer and closer relationship with the EU........which will be on hold while the children are still in power here.