Toscageoff
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Maybe Item 610048 from Axminster would help!
Maybe Item 610048 from Axminster would help!
Bloody Mitres!!
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moz
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wizer":4tsev7vz said:
If you can't get a full shaving, I still think your problem is that it isn't sharp enough.
wizer":4tsev7vz said:
How long would it take? Yes, a rosewood and brass thingy would be lovely but...I came to the conclusion that the secret in making jigs is to learn the skills to make them quickly and treat most of them as consumable items rather than family heirlooms. All you need for this job is a piece of MDF/chipboard/ply of a suitable size. Glue and clamp a straight timber fence at right angles, squaring it up very carefully and screw it in place, leaving a slight overhang to be planed flush. Screw a batten at the opposite edge and opposite side to hook over the bench and viola! To shoot mitres, cut a piece of timber to 45 on the sliding table and hold this and your work against the fence. I don't know what sort of shooting board you are using or envisaging but the above takes minutes and works perfectly well - with a sharp plane. Chuck it in the bin when finished.
John
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John I had no intention of makin heirlooms. I didn't want to use the TS today as its been cleaned and dismantled ready to be picked up.
You casually say to knock up a board at 90 and 45. But IME that's easier said than done. To a certain extent the shooting board and mitre attachments are a chicken egg situation. Tho, I think we established long ago that it's not the process that's difficult, it's me. So when I said 'Bloody Mitres!' what I really meant was Bloody Useless Wizer!' I was merely venting.
I did wonder this afternoon if there are any merits to doing it on a disc sander? It's probably scoffed at, but I'm sure that's the way they did/do it in a production workshop.
You casually say to knock up a board at 90 and 45. But IME that's easier said than done. To a certain extent the shooting board and mitre attachments are a chicken egg situation. Tho, I think we established long ago that it's not the process that's difficult, it's me. So when I said 'Bloody Mitres!' what I really meant was Bloody Useless Wizer!' I was merely venting.
I did wonder this afternoon if there are any merits to doing it on a disc sander? It's probably scoffed at, but I'm sure that's the way they did/do it in a production workshop.
Lord Nibbo
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I don't care how I do a job, it's the end result that matters so if you find away that suits you then carry on doing it.
Shultzy
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Wizer, use your lathe, get a face plate for it and turn a piece of timber to screw to it. Cover with sandpaper, then make a table to fit over the bed bars. Make a number of them with different grades. I made one years ago and use it for taking off fine amounts on end grain.
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Cheers Shultzy. I spent some time researching it last night actually. I went from buying one, to making one out of an old 1/4hp motor I have in the cupboard to making a plate and platform on the lathe. I'll probably go for the lathe first as that's the simplest/cheapest. If it turns out well and I'm using it a lot I might buy or make a dedicated one.
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wizer":23hw4kdk said:
You called yourself WIZER :lol:
NOT WI ZER
The transition is complete :mrgreen: \
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Tom,
You may not like this, but I've an observation to make.........
In virtually every one of your posts you are constantly looking for ways of "buying a solution"
You need to forget about shopping and build some basic skills.
Truely if you can't (won't) make something as basic as a shoot board with the tools you already have then I'd pack it up & find another hobby.
I must explain my woodworking is not at all good and I'm very much a beginner like yourself. The biggest kicks is when you finally master a technique. It's a far bigger longer lasting "rush" than opening yet another parcel from Axminster, but it does take a bit of perseverance.
Please don't take this the wrong way.
You may not like this, but I've an observation to make.........
In virtually every one of your posts you are constantly looking for ways of "buying a solution"
You need to forget about shopping and build some basic skills.
Truely if you can't (won't) make something as basic as a shoot board with the tools you already have then I'd pack it up & find another hobby.
I must explain my woodworking is not at all good and I'm very much a beginner like yourself. The biggest kicks is when you finally master a technique. It's a far bigger longer lasting "rush" than opening yet another parcel from Axminster, but it does take a bit of perseverance.
Please don't take this the wrong way.
lurker":1dlo8kdr said:
Lurker !
where can I buy some of this ( perseverance ) :lol:
sorry could not resist
DaveL
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It comes in tins, on the shelf next to the elbow grease. :wink:
ByronBlack
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Tom - I can only echo what everyone has said. Forget about a disc sander, that will not make your mitres any more accurate, you'll still need to make a jig of some sort to present the work to the disc at an accurate 45.
You have a mitre-saw - use that to cut a 45 degree angle on a small square of ply - attach this to your shooting board. When you put the 'stop' of the shooting board on the ply, use a square to get it to ninety - no real preceision required in that.
IF when you go to shoot your mitre, you find that it's a little off (Check by presenting the work to a mitre square) use thin pieces of card or paper between the 'stop' and the angled part to adjust the angle to and fro - just a few minute of doing this and you'll easily be able to 'dial-in' a perfect 45 degree.
OR, the easiest way is to forget about the shooting board, take two rails, put on top of the other at 90 degrees where they would normally meet, clamp these down, mark your 45 mitre on the top pieces, and using a hand-saw, cut through both pieces. When you come to assemble them, it won't matter if you were accurate or not, as you cut them at the same, they'll have complimentary angles and will go together to form a perfect 90.
There's really no need to buy or make another machine, that seems like more hard-work than is necessary
You have a mitre-saw - use that to cut a 45 degree angle on a small square of ply - attach this to your shooting board. When you put the 'stop' of the shooting board on the ply, use a square to get it to ninety - no real preceision required in that.
IF when you go to shoot your mitre, you find that it's a little off (Check by presenting the work to a mitre square) use thin pieces of card or paper between the 'stop' and the angled part to adjust the angle to and fro - just a few minute of doing this and you'll easily be able to 'dial-in' a perfect 45 degree.
OR, the easiest way is to forget about the shooting board, take two rails, put on top of the other at 90 degrees where they would normally meet, clamp these down, mark your 45 mitre on the top pieces, and using a hand-saw, cut through both pieces. When you come to assemble them, it won't matter if you were accurate or not, as you cut them at the same, they'll have complimentary angles and will go together to form a perfect 90.
There's really no need to buy or make another machine, that seems like more hard-work than is necessary
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Lurker (et al), thanks for your concern. Actually I think I've shown great self control in this situation. I could have gone out and bought a Nobex or a Mitre Guillotine, but I didn't. I went back in the workshop and I had another go. The result of that was I decided the shooting board needed re-building. I then said that I couldn't use the Jet that day and only had a couple of hours to spare. Whilst talking about disc sanders, I fully intend to have another go with the shooting board. BTW The No.9 was part of a swap, I probably wouldn't have spent that much money on a plane that gets so little use if it had not been for the fact that I was swapping it for stuff I no longer wanted. So I didn't rush out to buy it because I thought it would make my mitres better. I did buy the LV BUS for shooting, but it does 'double duty' as a smoother. I'm going to build the disc sander anyway because I want one. Incidentally, I buy tools because I want them, not because I need them. I'm not a complete *****. I do realise that half my tools are unnecessary, especially at my skill level. To a large extent this is why I am getting rid of the large cabinet saw and having a go with another area of woodworking. You might not agree with it, but I can do what I like with the money I earn. If I have offended anyone then I apologise. I realise that I have certain issues, you are who you are. If you can't tolerate me then just don't read my posts.
ByronBlack
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Tom
I apologise if I have come across badly, and I'm sure Lurker was only trying to help too, don't take it personally.
Do you have the charlesworth DVD on shooting? That might help you out and perhaps eliminate any potential problems.
I apologise if I have come across badly, and I'm sure Lurker was only trying to help too, don't take it personally.
Do you have the charlesworth DVD on shooting? That might help you out and perhaps eliminate any potential problems.
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Sorry maybe I was a bit harsh with my last post. I'm not offended, just trying to get my point across. I don't mean to get on peoples nerves.
I can't fully explain myself. I spend the large majority of my time in front of this computer reading and watching stuff about woodworking. I'm obsessed. I just can't seem to transfer it to actually skills. Lurker is right. I need to spend more time trying to do stuff in the workshop than here. To a certain extent that's out of my control. Perhaps I should find another hobby. But as I said above, I am so obsessed with woodworking that I am desperate to try and find something that's right for me.
So let's see what happens with woodturning. Last chance saloon perhaps.
I can't fully explain myself. I spend the large majority of my time in front of this computer reading and watching stuff about woodworking. I'm obsessed. I just can't seem to transfer it to actually skills. Lurker is right. I need to spend more time trying to do stuff in the workshop than here. To a certain extent that's out of my control. Perhaps I should find another hobby. But as I said above, I am so obsessed with woodworking that I am desperate to try and find something that's right for me.
So let's see what happens with woodturning. Last chance saloon perhaps.
