Which joint?

[miles_hot]

I want to join two 2"x4" at a right angle like so:



This is the bottom joint for my wood store and so will be taking some leverage on the upright. Given the meeting surfaces are 2" across I was unsure that a M&T would be ideal given the size of the tenon but it seemed better than a halving joint as that would rely on the screws to resist any side forces....

Help!

Miles

PS there will also be a bar running along the back in some way to pin each of the units to the floor but I will be making this out of either another 2x4 or a 3x3 I have knocking about but I figured the join of this would be rather easier as it only has to resist a lifting force.

 

[wizer]

halving\half lap

 

[wizer]

 

[Ironballs]

Will it be in contact with any moisture? If so you'll want to avoid a joint that exposes end grain

Does it have to be neat? If not you could brace the joint with brackets/angle iron, allowing you to use a M&T

 

[Oryxdesign]

Stacked dominos.

 

[moz]

Through, wedged tenon will be the strongest for that application.

John

 

[Boz62]

I'm afraid I'd go the crude engineering approach and just butt them together and clad one or both sides with a triangle of ply, 6mm (as I have a load) or thicker. Screwing them in place is enough, if really cautious glue and screw. That won't shift, will be very strong and quick to make. It's only a woodstore! Unless you are desperate for M&T practice

Boz

 

[woodbloke]

Stacked dominos.

Like it - Rob

 

[Oryxdesign]

It was for your benefit Rob

 

[Mr Ed]

I'm surprised Tom missed the opportunity...

Ed

 

[wizer]

I'm not just a court jester you know!!! :lol:

 

[head clansman]

hi

I'll second moz .hc

 

[big soft moose]

a few nails, a couple of screws, and some gripfill - its a a woodstore not a fine peice of cabinet making - glad to see our wood is coming in useful

 

[miles_hot]

Will it be in contact with any moisture? If so you'll want to avoid a joint that exposes end grain

Does it have to be neat? If not you could brace the joint with brackets/angle iron, allowing you to use a M&T

It is possible that it will in that it will be at the bottom of the wood store in front of the garage doors on concrete

few nails, a couple of screws, and some gripfill - its a a woodstore not a fine peice of cabinet making - glad to see our wood is coming in useful

true it's not cabinetry but it would still be nice to make a decent job of it - I may yet retreat to screws and ply braces as suggested by Boz!. By the way your wood hasn't turned up yet, I guess your chaps have been busy with the move - I got a load of softwood when I went to Vaserns to get ahead

Through, wedged tenon will be the strongest for that application

I think I may pass on that - the M&T will be enough of a challenge and I am concerned about the end grain on the floor thing

halving\half lap

I was worried that it might be easy to twist out of this joint but I guess with the screws etc it will work out? Easier that the M&T method and some how more "pure" than banging in the screws...

Thanks all - it will be a lap or M&T

Miles

 

[wizer]

For the record, I'd glue and screw it and forget about it for 20yrs.

 

[big soft moose]

By the way your wood hasn't turned up yet, I guess your chaps have been busy with the move - I got a load of softwood when I went to Vaserns to get ahead

miles - i can only apologise , i distinctly told my henchpeople to deliver it while i was off sick and hadnt realised that they havent as i havent been to the 'shop since returning from sick leave.

serious wordage will be had with the minions tommorow - and i'll see that its delivered this week (probably on thursday)

 

[Benchwayze]

Miles,

If you want to keep the end-grain dry, cut some discs out of an ice cream container, and slip them under the uprights. The weight will keep them in place and they will act as a damp barrier. You could also use the plastic lids from salt containers, but upside down so nothing spills in them. A coat of preservative on the end grain too, to be double sure.
HTH

John

 

[miles_hot]

Miles,

If you want to keep the end-grain dry, cut some discs out of an ice cream container, and slip them under the uprights. The weight will keep them in place and they will act as a damp barrier. You could also use the plastic lids from salt containers, but upside down so nothing spills in them. A coat of preservative on the end grain too, to be double sure.
HTH

John

Good plan - so with this approach I can safely do the halving joint - simples

Miles

 

[big soft moose]

By the way your wood hasn't turned up yet, I guess your chaps have been busy with the move - I got a load of softwood when I went to Vaserns to get ahead

miles - i can only apologise , i distinctly told my henchpeople to deliver it while i was off sick and hadnt realised that they havent as i havent been to the 'shop since returning from sick leave.

serious wordage will be had with the minions tommorow - and i'll see that its delivered this week (probably on thursday)

the team has had its collective botty well and truly smacked today and we will be delivering your wood tommorow - probably mid morning so if no one is in we will leave it as agreed.

 

[miles_hot]

By the way your wood hasn't turned up yet, I guess your chaps have been busy with the move - I got a load of softwood when I went to Vaserns to get ahead

miles - i can only apologise , i distinctly told my henchpeople to deliver it while i was off sick and hadnt realised that they havent as i havent been to the 'shop since returning from sick leave.

serious wordage will be had with the minions tommorow - and i'll see that its delivered this week (probably on thursday)

the team has had its collective botty well and truly smacked today and we will be delivering your wood tommorow - probably mid morning so if no one is in we will leave it as agreed.

Thanks Moose - I will use it in some capacity

Miles