GraemeD
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Know the feeling, Karl! I think we might both be back on task at about the same time, so at least we can compare notes and keep each other's enthusiasm up!
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Graeme
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Graeme
Wadkin Planer/Jointer restoration project
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Green
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Any progress guys?
I am about to start work restoring an 9"BFT so have been reading this thread with interest.
This is mine:
https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/view ... ght=wadkin
It doesnt look like much but im sure she will scub up nicely.
Please keep us updated on your progress.
I am about to start work restoring an 9"BFT so have been reading this thread with interest.
This is mine:
https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/view ... ght=wadkin
It doesnt look like much but im sure she will scub up nicely.
Please keep us updated on your progress.
GraemeD
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I've just come back from holiday and have some other catching up to do.....but I'm planning on picking up my refurb in the next few weeks. I'll keep you posted!
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Graeme
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Green
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Im finding it hard to decide what to do with mine e.g whether I should go to the effort of a full strip down and re-paint or just a quick clean up and bearing/blade change.
Karl,
Are you going to stay with three phase? If so I will be changing the 3hp three phase on mine for a single phase job. Its yours if you want it.
Karl,
Are you going to stay with three phase? If so I will be changing the 3hp three phase on mine for a single phase job. Its yours if you want it.
GraemeD
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I've bought and renovated quite a few old machines, varying greatly in condition when I got them. The Wadkin was by far the worst....and oldest....and in that case I had no choice but to do a full strip-down.
However, if a machine is usable without re-doing the paintwork, then I'd be tempted to think about that option. To me, repainting is a huge step up in effort level....maybe because I have to do it by hand (ie. no spraying available)....and maybe because it is tedious and deceptively easy to get a poor result.
(OK, so I worry a little bit too much about the paint finish on my machines, instead of getting on with some woodwork....I admit it
I recently renovated a MiniMax bandsaw which was borderline in the paint department as far as I was concerned. From afar, it looked ok....up close the paintwork was chipped and blistering with surface rust (actually the original paintjob was shocking, so even when new it had drips and dirt in the paint finish!).
I was already part way into the Wadkin at this stage and did not want more painting to do, so I decided to leave it. In fact I touched up a few of the worst bits using a close colour match from Humbrol, and then cleaned the rest, using a car cutting compound followed by car silicone polish to improve what was there. The end result isn't actually too bad....and at least when I dink it in use with a lump of 2x4, I'm not cursing the hours I spent repainting it all.
Looking at your pics, the paint work ain't too bad, so it depends on how concerned you are with the finish at the end. I reckon you can probably get away with a strip-down and clean-up only....of course you can always change your mind later and paint it (it's not a one-time decision!).
Hope that helps?
Graeme
However, if a machine is usable without re-doing the paintwork, then I'd be tempted to think about that option. To me, repainting is a huge step up in effort level....maybe because I have to do it by hand (ie. no spraying available)....and maybe because it is tedious and deceptively easy to get a poor result.
(OK, so I worry a little bit too much about the paint finish on my machines, instead of getting on with some woodwork....I admit it
I recently renovated a MiniMax bandsaw which was borderline in the paint department as far as I was concerned. From afar, it looked ok....up close the paintwork was chipped and blistering with surface rust (actually the original paintjob was shocking, so even when new it had drips and dirt in the paint finish!).
I was already part way into the Wadkin at this stage and did not want more painting to do, so I decided to leave it. In fact I touched up a few of the worst bits using a close colour match from Humbrol, and then cleaned the rest, using a car cutting compound followed by car silicone polish to improve what was there. The end result isn't actually too bad....and at least when I dink it in use with a lump of 2x4, I'm not cursing the hours I spent repainting it all.
Looking at your pics, the paint work ain't too bad, so it depends on how concerned you are with the finish at the end. I reckon you can probably get away with a strip-down and clean-up only....of course you can always change your mind later and paint it (it's not a one-time decision!).
Hope that helps?
Graeme
Green":3cipkpej said:
Hi Green
Thanks for the offer, but mine is going to be single phase.
Graeme - having stripped all the metalwork back, I am now beginning to realise what a massive task it is going to be to actually prime and paint it all up again. I get little enough time in my workshop as it is, and I am beginning to begrudge spending it painting! I think that, for now, i'm just going to give everything a nice clean up, make sure all the mechanicals are sorted (which they pretty much are - just need to check out the bearings) and get the motor "fixed".
Should be done for Xmas...........
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Karl
Green
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Karl,
No problem. Where are you going to get your motor? I have had a search and the best I can come up with are MachineMart and Axminster. I will need a new pulley too as all the single phase motors I have seen have bigger shafts.
I think I will give the paintwork a tickle with a wire brush on an angle grinder and a quick slap of paint.
The fence, guards and anything else I can get off will be de-rusted in a electrolytic bath and sprayed.
Sorting the tables will be a bigger job, they have a good bit of rust on them from being stored in the damp.
No problem. Where are you going to get your motor? I have had a search and the best I can come up with are MachineMart and Axminster. I will need a new pulley too as all the single phase motors I have seen have bigger shafts.
I think I will give the paintwork a tickle with a wire brush on an angle grinder and a quick slap of paint.
The fence, guards and anything else I can get off will be de-rusted in a electrolytic bath and sprayed.
Sorting the tables will be a bigger job, they have a good bit of rust on them from being stored in the damp.
GraemeD
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Green,
I found my motor on Ebay; it was local to me, hence getting hold of it was not a problem. There are loads on there, so hopefully you could find something suitable.
In terms of derusting the tables, my best technique is to use a sharp razor blade in a holder to scrape the main rust and gunk off the tables, and then "polish" them with a random orbit sander, loaded with a scotchbrite pad. You can get these with velco fixings, designed for the job, and the results are absolutely superb! I have never found the need for electro baths and the like; I use a wire wheel in a grinder for the small parts, a wire wheel in an angle grinder for the larger parts, and the above method for ant flat surfaces....fences, tables etc.
As for the painting, it is a huge job and somewhat soul destroying...especially if you are short on time. As I said before however, you don't need to do it now; you can always clean it as best you can with something like scotchbrite, and worry abput repainting later if you love the machine once it's up and running.
Graeme
I found my motor on Ebay; it was local to me, hence getting hold of it was not a problem. There are loads on there, so hopefully you could find something suitable.
In terms of derusting the tables, my best technique is to use a sharp razor blade in a holder to scrape the main rust and gunk off the tables, and then "polish" them with a random orbit sander, loaded with a scotchbrite pad. You can get these with velco fixings, designed for the job, and the results are absolutely superb! I have never found the need for electro baths and the like; I use a wire wheel in a grinder for the small parts, a wire wheel in an angle grinder for the larger parts, and the above method for ant flat surfaces....fences, tables etc.
As for the painting, it is a huge job and somewhat soul destroying...especially if you are short on time. As I said before however, you don't need to do it now; you can always clean it as best you can with something like scotchbrite, and worry abput repainting later if you love the machine once it's up and running.
Graeme
Green
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Well I got a bit carried away...
I only popped out to the shed to fetch something and ended up doing this:
This is most of the fence mechanism and guarding after having been given the paint stripper and wire brush treatment.
Cutter block, bearing housing castings and a few other bits and bobs cooking away in my electric bath.
Call me a masochist but I really, really enjoy doing this and am already sniffing abouut for more old iron to fix up.
Cheers
I only popped out to the shed to fetch something and ended up doing this:
This is most of the fence mechanism and guarding after having been given the paint stripper and wire brush treatment.
Cutter block, bearing housing castings and a few other bits and bobs cooking away in my electric bath.
Call me a masochist but I really, really enjoy doing this and am already sniffing abouut for more old iron to fix up.
Cheers
Green
Established Member
Cheers
It really didnt take that long to do, the hardest part was getting the bearings/pulley wheel off. In the end I got a car mechanic friend to take the whole cutter block to work and put it in the hydraulic puller.
On the subject of bearings, the ones I removed do not match, one is stamped - 205NPP C3, the other is - 3205 ZS. They appear to be same size but look slightly different (I assume someone has just replaced the easiest one at some point in the past). I can find 3205 ZZ online but not ZS nor the 205 NPP. Is the ZZ the same as a ZS but with different sheilding and will it be ok?
Hope that made sense, english aint my strong point.
It really didnt take that long to do, the hardest part was getting the bearings/pulley wheel off. In the end I got a car mechanic friend to take the whole cutter block to work and put it in the hydraulic puller.
On the subject of bearings, the ones I removed do not match, one is stamped - 205NPP C3, the other is - 3205 ZS. They appear to be same size but look slightly different (I assume someone has just replaced the easiest one at some point in the past). I can find 3205 ZZ online but not ZS nor the 205 NPP. Is the ZZ the same as a ZS but with different sheilding and will it be ok?
Hope that made sense, english aint my strong point.
GraemeD
Established Member
Nice work, Green.....I know what you mean about enjoying this kind of work. It's only when it outfaces you (like stripping and repainting a large machine) that I start to question myself!
Did you decide whether to paint the main body of the machine in the end? Did you manage to secure a suitable motor?
Graeme
Did you decide whether to paint the main body of the machine in the end? Did you manage to secure a suitable motor?
Graeme
Green
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Roy
Thanks for the kind offer but I popped into a local engineering supply today (Forth Engineering - for anyone local) and was supplied some suitable bearings. Very helpful people.
Greame,
Yep I painted the whole thing. The stand was easy as it is mostly pressed steel and so was easy to move about and work with. The main body is getting another couple of coats tonight. Im not fussing with body filler and the like so its not all that time consuming.
I think I will just call into Screwfix for the motor, pulley and starter. Im not sure I will be able to get the right mounting off the shelf so will probably just take the motor in and do a side by side comparison and pick the closest.
Cheers
Thanks for the kind offer but I popped into a local engineering supply today (Forth Engineering - for anyone local) and was supplied some suitable bearings. Very helpful people.
Greame,
Yep I painted the whole thing. The stand was easy as it is mostly pressed steel and so was easy to move about and work with. The main body is getting another couple of coats tonight. Im not fussing with body filler and the like so its not all that time consuming.
I think I will just call into Screwfix for the motor, pulley and starter. Im not sure I will be able to get the right mounting off the shelf so will probably just take the motor in and do a side by side comparison and pick the closest.
Cheers
Green
Established Member
Quick update for anyone who is interested...
Almost finished, just need to save up for a new motor and find the bolts (that I put away in a safe place) so I can bolt the fence back on :roll:
Here is how it used to look:
Close up
Thanks for looking
Almost finished, just need to save up for a new motor and find the bolts (that I put away in a safe place) so I can bolt the fence back on :roll:
Here is how it used to look:
Close up
Thanks for looking
DaveL
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Well apart from being the the wrong colour :roll: you have made a very good job of this.
I look forward to seeing it up and running, it should be a very useful machine. \/
I look forward to seeing it up and running, it should be a very useful machine. \
/
MikeG.
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I've been following this one from the start.......what a fantastic job! You must be very pleased with the result.
I hope you are going to use it, and not just sell it!
Mike
I hope you are going to use it, and not just sell it!
Mike
