US Election November 5th

[RobinBHM]

As do you with left wing.

I dont

Ive voted both Tory and Labour

And Im not left wing, I support this country in having a fair social contract...........thats been broken over the last few decades

I believe in social democracy, I want a country where we have decent public services so there is a safety net for those that need it + I believe in a state which allows capitalism to flourish

I do not support the right wing populism of the current Tories and Reform, it feeds lies, corruption, vested self interest. Unfortunately you dont understand the pervasive and dangerous powers of the Tufton street and other libertarian lobby groups pushing their dishonest agendas


By the way, I do not support the way this Labour party has allowed itself to take large donations, I fear they will be driven by vested interests.

But I do support their tough decisions on the budget, which have allowed a decent increase to NHS, which is vital to lowering waiting times

 

[RobinBHM]

Kneeler meanwhile is telling us that he has a "hearty and fond" call with Trump, whereas those close to Trump say he regards Starmer as a woke lightweight and negotiating amateur. My instinct is that Starmer is deluded about his relationship with Trump and clinging to the buffoon Lammy is ill advised.

You seem to have fallen for the phoney culture wars

I bet you are an avid Telegraph reader


of course Trump will call Starmer a "negotiating lightweight" -Trump thinks he is a master of negotiating (his string of bankrupt businesses indicates otherwise). Starmer is however not a negotiating lightweight, he is an experienced lawyer, unlike Trump

 

[Scruples]

You're absolutely right. But I spent my working life trying to help people think clearly, examine evidence, justify arguments, and chase the truth in so far as it can be found. Seems like a waste of effort when it turns out you can just make carp up, exploit people's weaknesses, lie to them and 'succeed'. But yes, back to the workshop it is... And thanks, Fergie.

To help people think 'clearly'? Is that as a professional or as a mate in the pub?

I think, and it's just another opinion, that to be in a situation, for which you have no control, you are going to get stressed. To teach someone how to deal with situations like that, whether by a 'professional' or a mate, that results in learning to rise above the stress, see it for what it is, analyse the options and do something to resolve it, is the only real way.
That's the way most people do it but some need that mate.

 

[Sean33]

1) Roe Wade reversal
2) his refusal to accept results of 2020

Those are enough to make him unsuited to high office.

I could go on to talk about his intention to replace federal workers with sycophants or his constant ramping up of division and hatred.

Or his connections to Putin

Or his connections to far right extremist groups like the Proud boys

Or his spreading lies about Haitians eating dogs

Or his narcissistic personality

Or his lack of ability to make a coherent

You seem to have fallen for the phoney culture wars

I bet you are an avid Telegraph reader


of course Trump will call Starmer a "negotiating lightweight" -Trump thinks he is a master of negotiating (his string of bankrupt businesses indicates otherwise). Starmer is however not a negotiating lightweight, he is an experienced lawyer, unlike Trump

Experienced Lawyer ! Not sure an experienced lawyer would have left himself as open with all the gifts he has received ‘within the law’ obviously ..!
Did a great job with the rail union !

 

[Croolis]

On the subject of whether Trump voters are stupid and whether it's all right or not for me to say so: if you're going to make a decision that affects my life, which voting will do, and you decide to waive the principles of secret ballot and nail your colours to the mast, then you should expect to be villified by someone who has to live with the negative consequences of that decision you made. Because voting isn't just talking, it's acting. It really is as simple as that. I don't understand people who, when the environment is tribal, expect me to not expect THEM to stand by their convictions when they make them publicly.

You did it, you own it. And I don't mean the vote itself. I mean the decision to announce how you're voting. I think it's as helpful to call people names if they've done something I consider dim as it is to not say anything, if it's screwing my life up. You know, maybe it'll give them pause next time. Or it might just make me feel better .

 

[RobinBHM]

Not sure an experienced lawyer would have left himself as open with all the gifts he has received ‘within the law’ obviously ..!

Daily Mail garbage

gifts from opticians and Taylor Swift management are not of any note

certainly dont prove what you claim

Did a great job with the rail union !

It was a below inflation deal and not that different to the Conservatives

carrying on the strikes wouldve cost more than settling

so yes a great job...........its gets strikes out of the way and lets govt get on with business

 

[RobinBHM]

What is going to happen to Ukraine now that we have a Putin sympathiser as US president?

I personally feel very worried for Ukraine, Trump is going to withdraw all support for Ukraine very very soon

 

[AJB Temple]

You seem to have fallen for the phoney culture wars

I bet you are an avid Telegraph reader


of course Trump will call Starmer a "negotiating lightweight" -Trump thinks he is a master of negotiating (his string of bankrupt businesses indicates otherwise). Starmer is however not a negotiating lightweight, he is an experienced lawyer, unlike Trump

I don't approve of betting. It's a tax on the poor. I read everything, except the endless lefty links that Jaco & co post as life is too short. My favourite is the Daily Mail obvs and the Sun for the more upmarket content.

The last thing I fell for was blonde and used she/her pronouns. Very nice.

Americans don't care about bankruptcies. They're not judgemental like you. Rather they recognise that success comes from trying different things. Trump despite his according to you poor business acumen, manages to run a jet, various golf resorts including in Scotland, a tasteless imo apartment in Trump tower and appears to be able to afford to cohort with "actresses" of flexible morals. Total failure clearly.

 

[AJB Temple]

The Guardian femmes are getting very worked up now: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/trump-women-misogynist-hatred-american-bodies

Women are apparently horrified that T is back! You would think that all of the 73 million voters are he/hims the way they go on. This particular biased journalist has made it all about her. US press reports that the female vote for Harris was lower than the female vote for Biden at the last election. Interesting. No doubt they will publish a full gender and ethnic breakdown in due course. It is being suggested in some US press that the exit poll data greatly underestimates the female vote for T but it is clear that the white female vote deserted Harris.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

of course that is true

Hey Robin, have you never seen "The Good Liars" on YouTube when they interview Trump supporters at Trump Rallies?

The footage is hilarious, frightening and jaw-droppingly unbelievable, all in equal measure. It is quite clear that a proportion of Trump Rally Attendees appear to be as thicker than a very thick mince, I agree that it can't just be those thick as one short plank that constitute his entire voter base... One thing is for sure, though - the cognitive dissonance on display amongst Trump supporters is staggering.

 

[AJB Temple]

Hey Robin, have you never seen "The Good Liars" on YouTube when they interview Trump supporters at Trump Rallies?

The footage is hilarious, frightening and jaw-droppingly unbelievable, all in equal measure. It is quite clear that a proportion of Trump Rally Attendees appear to be as thicker than a very thick mince, I agree that it can't just be those thick as one short plank that constitute his entire voter base... One thing is for sure, though - the cognitive dissonance on display amongst Trump supporters is staggering.

You've fallen for selective media bias. The sites you are watching had an agenda.

I agree that there are some dimwit supporters out there. It's inevitable. Some people voted for labour and now look whats happening

 

[Blackswanwood]

I assume Blackswanwood's point was that there are posters who take exception to perceived attacks on the intelligence of Trump voters, whilst being more than happy to attack those who voted for Labour.

Exactly - it comes out to play whenever Brexit gets mentioned also. There are those on both sides of the argument that are ready to call the other side thick. It's be far better imho to respect each others decision even if we don't understand how it's been reached ... although I've just seen in another thread someone is objecting having had the olive branch of "lets agree to disagree" offered

 

[sploo]

Trump despite his according to you poor business acumen, manages to run a jet, various golf resorts including in Scotland, a tasteless imo apartment in Trump tower and appears to be able to afford to cohort with "actresses" of flexible morals. Total failure clearly.

Trump's money comes entirely from his inheritance from his father. Even based on what he claims he has (which of course is suspect) he'd have more money now if he'd put the inheritance into a stock market linked investment fund, rather than run his business empire.

Essentially, he won the inheritance lottery, and then did worse than doing literally nothing. Any of us could have done that.

 

[Chris152]

“The biggest single, best predictor of how someone’s going to vote in American politics now is education level. That is now the new fault line in American politics”.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/14/...predictor-of-how-someone-will-vote/index.html

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

You've fallen for selective media bias. The sites you are watching had an agenda.

I agree that there are some dimwit supporters out there. It's inevitable. Some people voted for labour and now look whats happening

I haven't "fallen" for anything - I try to watch a wide range of stuff because my pet hate is hypocrisy, so I go out of my way to avoid hypocrisy - and that includes consuming an unhealthy amount of vomit-inducing, vile and unevidenced trash that comes from right-leaning sources. Those truly are diabolical and speak only to those who are already entrenched in their views, intentionally seeking out their echo chamber, and have a pre-existing bias that they "want to believe" and find backing for. Unfortunately it is unevidenced and unreasoned tripe that these channels and outlets peddle. It's the very fact that everything goes against the evidence in these sources and is backed up only by personal opinion of some really very ugly characters that marks them out as "special".

When you say "some people" voted for Labour it makes it appear that you have a bias. You imply with the smiley that you think things are not going well...

Within observable reality, however, things are going fairly well, I think - despite your negativity and unfounded negative opinion and prediction. Everything is unfounded when it comes to your predictions.
It should be helpful for you to understand at this point - if you haven't already picked it up form my numerous posts - that I am an evidence man and a details man - those details drawn from evidence alone - without personal bias.

Even as I type, it is being reported that the BoE is considering dropping the base rate this lunch time. This is detail and evidence that things are not tracking with your prediction or opinion. Kind of puts a dampener on the implication of your smiley, but not a dampener on real life, one should agree No?

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

“The biggest single, best predictor of how someone’s going to vote in American politics now is education level. That is now the new fault line in American politics”.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/14/...predictor-of-how-someone-will-vote/index.html

Trump even says this out loud!

 

[AJB Temple]

I haven't "fallen" for anything - I try to watch a wide range of stuff because my pet hate is hypocrisy, so I go out of my way to avoid hypocrisy - and that includes consuming an unhealthy amount of vomit-inducing, vile and unevidenced trash that comes from right-leaning sources. Those truly are diabolical and speak only to those who are already entrenched in their views, intentionally seeking out their echo chamber, and have a pre-existing bias that they "want to believe" and find backing for. Unfortunately it is unevidenced and unreasoned tripe that these channels and outlets peddle. It's the very fact that everything goes against the evidence in these sources and is backed up only by personal opinion of some really very ugly characters that marks them out as "special".

When you say "some people" voted for Labour it makes it appear that you have a bias. You imply with the smiley that you think things are not going well...

Within observable reality, however, things are going fairly well, I think - despite your negativity and unfounded negative opinion and prediction. Everything is unfounded when it comes to your predictions.
It should be helpful for you to understand at this point - if you haven't already picked it up form my numerous posts - that I am an evidence man and a details man - those details drawn from evidence alone - without personal bias.

Even as I type, it is being reported that the BoE is considering dropping the base rate this lunch time. This is detail and evidence that things are not tracking with your prediction or opinion. Kind of puts a dampener on the implication of your smiley, but not a dampener on real life, one should agree No?

You do fall for bait easily don't you.

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

You do fall for bait easily don't you.

Dunno! Do I?
Might be because I'm a details and evidence guy?

 

[Hypnotic Chimera]

You do fall for bait easily don't you.

Just heard confirmation that Base Rate has indeed been dropped. Any comment?

 

[RobinBHM]

Some people voted for labour and now look whats happening

Yes, let’s look at what is happening…..Labour have by no means been amazing, but it’s not the disaster you read in the Telegraph.





1) £22b going into NHS to start the hard job of reducing waiting lists as a result of Tory failure (don’t mention covid, the waiting list was 5m pre covid)

2) Juniors strike resolved in days

3) increase in borrowing for infrastructure repair and rebuilding, like schools and hospitals

4) loophole closed for IHT farming (people like James Dyson

5) OBR forecast is 2% growth next year compared to 0% under recent Tories.

6) end of culture wars from govt

7) end of pointless Rwanda scheme that was costing £500m + just for a few headlines in Daily Mail.


AJB, is you don’t like above you are welcome to suggest a better budget