Thieving little twats

[Bluekingfisher]

On the topic of shootings and bullets, I can't forget the question put to the trooper during the investigation of the Iranian Embassy seige.

When asked "Why did you shoot Mr ^&&%^^&&*^ 13 times,"?

his reply was...."Because I ran out of bullets"!

Mr *&^&*^&^^)^ hasn't been invoved in any more crimes!

I think that was a gibralter quote not the Emabassy......

I stand corrected

 

[jimi43]

I think the police in this country are something to be very very proud of. Nations all over the world are in awe of our force and the way it operates without weapons (in general) and does such a calm and collected job.

I would go to the help of a copper any day...even if I am knee high to an A***'s jock strap.

They are not the problem...it's the bleedin' heart liberals...god bless 'em who came out of the drug filled 60s with love, peace and flowers and think they can "fix" everything. Utter Codds Wallop.

We should put the little tikes in labour camps...barbed wire...armed guards...German Shepherds....jack boots....guns...more guns...oh and whips...

Phew...I feel MUCH better now....

So....what did you get nicked from your shed this week then guys?

Anything interesting?



Jim

 

[devonwoody]

Those oil rigs in the north sea are running out of use, put the darlings on them, remove all heating of course and 21 day deliveries only. I dont even mind an industrial dispute or two of 6 month duration by boatmen.

 

[big soft moose]

On the topic of shootings and bullets, I can't forget the question put to the trooper during the investigation of the Iranian Embassy seige.

When asked "Why did you shoot Mr ^&&%^^&&*^ 13 times,"?

his reply was...."Because I ran out of bullets"!

Mr *&^&*^&^^)^ hasn't been invoved in any more crimes!

I think that was a gibralter quote not the Emabassy......

I stand corrected

there was also the american sniper in vietnam who when asked by an appaled jounalist "how could you shoot a woman" - replied " women dont run as fast as men so you dont lead them as much"

and also the sniper (again american but this time in afghanistan) who was asked "what tdo you feel when you shoot a terrorist" and replied "recoil"

 

[big soft moose]

Shooting all offenders is one solution but fortunately I don't think the majority would go for it, at least not for any length of time.In fact I think it would probably cause the collapse of society. Imagine the scenario: little Jimmy the son of the prime minister (probably a dictator by this point) commits a crime, unable to put his own son to death he finds a way around the punishment. Cue the uprising unless of course you are willing to suppress that with force as well?
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I did say only for the incorrigible and the chances of the prime ministers son being an incorrigible criminal are remote (the press would have a feild day very early on in his career of crime - remember ewan aka urine blair)

but if he was indeed incorrigible if the system is working propperly the hustice system should be seperate from politics and therefore little jimmy should be put up against a wall with the others

 

[newt]

What really gets me is, some of todays youths just don't give a toss about anyone or anything, but when they go to prison the state have to care about their welfare, TV, good diet, heating etc. No wonder its take and no give.

 

[devonwoody]

OK here is the ultimate solution, build an Alcatraz type prison in the Bristol Channel, equip it with pedal turbines operated by drug addicts to supply the national grid with electricity, 5 years minimum for addicts dealers until they die.

They would pay their way with energy,(feed them on seaweed, and have a rat farm for protein) and accept all illegal immigrants for accommodation as well.

Problem solved apart from appeasing the do goodies, ( I would consider sending some of the outspoken ones there as well).[/img]

 

[studders]

I would go to the help of a copper any day...even if I am knee high to an A***'s jock strap.

Jim

There was a time when I would have done so without hesitation, I'd have to think twice now though, which in itself is sad.
What if I injured the person the copper was struggling with, would I get prosecuted for it?
What if Police reinforcements arrive and they see a colleague struggling with two men, will I get restrained and arrested by mistake?
What happens if the copper being assaulted can't recall clearly what happened and thinks I may have been one of his attackers?
It's the same with helping a lost kid these days, I would have to think very carefully before getting involved.
These are not far fetched possibilities.

 

[jimi43]

OK here is the ultimate solution, build an Alcatraz type prison in the Bristol Channel, equip it with pedal turbines operated by drug addicts to supply the national grid with electricity, 5 years minimum for addicts dealers until they die.

They would pay their way with energy,(feed them on seaweed, and have a rat farm for protein) and accept all illegal immigrants for accommodation as well.

Problem solved apart from appeasing the do goodies, ( I would consider sending some of the outspoken ones there as well).[/img]

I like this man!!!

8)

 

[jlawrence]

unfortunately studders I'm with you on this one.
If I happened to find someone robbing my house, then if I was able to I can guarantee he wouldn't be walking out of there. But there's a massive difference between that and leaping to someone's defense in a public situation.
I would stop and help any lost child - but if and only if I wasn't alone.

 

[newt]

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What if Police reinforcements arrive and they see a colleague struggling with two men, will I get restrained and arrested by mistake?
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I dont think you need to worry as a risk assessment would need to be carried out first.

I would still help out the police.

 

[wobblycogs]

DW, I hope very much that you are joking and you would even consider treating an animal the way you are suggesting we deal with criminals. You are suggesting working and or starving them to death in forced labour camps. Put down the Daily Mail for a moment and really think about what you are suggesting because I see little difference between that and the concentration camps or the gulag - ideas that are considered some of the darkest humanity has ever come up with.

I ask you all as well what if it was your son or daughter that was being sent to one of these camps? What if they had had a quick spliff (it is estimated that about 25% of 16 to 24 years old have taken cannabis in the last year) and got caught, would you still feel it was right that they did 5 years of hard labour?

What if your best friends child got caught selling a £5 bag to someone. Could you look them in the eye and say you feel it's right that their child is worked to death?

It's also rather easy to suggest these terrible punishments when you don't think you or your family are going to ever be on the receiving end but history shows us that what goes around has a habit of coming around.

 

[Dibs-h]

unfortunately studders I'm with you on this one.
If I happened to find someone robbing my house, then if I was able to I can guarantee he wouldn't be walking out of there.

+1 on that

I would stop and help any lost child - but if and only if I wasn't alone.

I'd always stop - get the Police (thankfully W Yorks Police have a non-emergency nbr) on the mobile at the same time.

Not stopping and reading about something awful - you'd never have a continuous nights sleep ever again.

 

[studders]

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Not stopping and reading about something awful - you'd never have a continuous nights sleep ever again.

True, and I hope if it ever happened my 'duty' would come before my 'What if's'
It probably would, in fact did on one occasion when I helped out an Off Licence Manager who was struggling with someone who tried to rob the till. But that could have turned out bad for me as the scrote claimed to the Police that I'd punched him, I was going to when he tried to bite me, but I didn't. Luckily they took no notice but, what if they had done?

 

[Jake]

Nothing is likely to have happened if you punched him. Even if the police had been inclined to charge, the CPS would be very unlikely to prosecute as it clearly would have been reasonable force in the circumstances.

There is of course a distinction between that and shooting him in the back, or giving him, with the help of another, a sustained beating with a cricket bat to the extent that it snaps in three and leaves him with brain damage.

Much angst is caused by a failure to be able to distinguish between the two, and by extrapolating the consequences of murderous or nearly murderous revenge attacks to genuine acts of self defence.

Perhaps the best thing would be for those who cannot distinguish between the two to try (a) punching themselves in the face, and then (b) battering themselves nearly to death before shooting themselves in the back. Somewhere near the conclusion of (b) they may (even if briefly) get a glimpse of the distinction that the law draws.

 

[studders]

Nothing is likely to have happened if you punched him. Even if the police had been inclined to charge, the CPS would be very unlikely to prosecute as it clearly would have been reasonable force in the circumstances.

Thanks, that's sort of reassuring to know. I still wouldn't like the thought of being arrested and possibly charged though. Hopefully it wouldn't stop me from doing the same again if need be, I dunno??

 

[Jake]

Still best not to punch him unless you have to.

There are all sorts of risks, but this one wouldn't be my concern in that situation - I'd be more concerned about the scrote pulling a knife or something than the legal aftermath.

 

[studders]

I'd be more concerned about the scrote pulling a knife or something t

He claimed he had an infected needle (he didn't) and was going to stab us with it; Charming Fella that he was. But the knife thing didn't even occur to me at the time. :shock:
It might in future.

 

[big soft moose]

I'd be more concerned about the scrote pulling a knife or something t

He claimed he had an infected needle (he didn't) and was going to stab us with it; Charming Fella that he was. But the knife thing didn't even occur to me at the time. :shock:
It might in future.

if he'd claimed that to me i would have done him some serious damage ( the best, as in most effective, way to stop a scrote deploying a weapon is to break both his collar bones, or so ive "heard" - clearly im not admitting or inciting any illegal act or intention) as a precaution.

if you should happen to do this , or to shoot him in the back, give him a sustained beating wioth a cricket bat or whatever - then i'd be inclined to be away on your toes before the police arrive - that way they cant charge you even if they wanted to

a mate of mine once laid a scrote out with a frozen leg of lamb - but the scrote in question had a machette and was holding up the convenience store where my mate was manager, sio the police decided it was justifiable even tho scrotey wound up with a depressed frascture of the cheek bone.

 

[Dibs-h]

There is of course a distinction between that and shooting him in the back, or giving him, with the help of another, a sustained beating with a cricket bat to the extent that it snaps in three and leaves him with brain damage.

Much was made of the case you refer to Jake - any man coming home to be confronted with several armed men who have tied up your wife and daughter and are threatening to kill them - what would any father\husband do?

As for brain damage - that was rather over-egged don't you think. The scrote had 50 previous and attented court that day himself - apparently none the worse for wear.

The mistake the homeowner made was to deal with the intruder outside. Had a cricker bat or any other implement been used inside the house and even resulted in the decapitation of the intruder - I doubt anything would have come it - certainly not to the extent it has\had as the case you refer to.

It's nothing to do with what you know\feel - it's all down to what be proved. And sometimes what happened and what can be proved isn't always the same.