I quite liked her dress, but not the outfit that Angela wore on her way into No 10 today. The green really doesn't go with her hair imo, and it seemed to lack finesse. Must try harder.
THE FOURTH OF JULY
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RobinBHM
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there is lots of muttering about vote share Ive noticed amongst pundits ...because labour as we know have won a large majority with not many votes
personally I think that is a good thing as that will mean MPs cant be complacent because if they only have a few thousand buffer, they easily lose.
MPs with 25,000 majority can think stuff the electorate
personally I think that is a good thing as that will mean MPs cant be complacent because if they only have a few thousand buffer, they easily lose.
MPs with 25,000 majority can think stuff the electorate
But no-one much has cared that much about ignored LDs and Greens for many decades, why do Reform now get special pity rights?
Terry - Somerset
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Previously unimpressed with assertions the voting system should change. FPTP usually means the most popular party gets the most seats with a workable majority.
Hung parliaments or very small majorities in the UK don't last long, the major exception being the Tory LibDem coalition in 2010. The culture of coalition is immature, tribal politics reign supreme.
This result is a landslide with the lowest level of popular support for the winning party. It is mainly due to tactical voting, near universal dissatisfaction with the Tories, and the emergence of Reform splitting the Tory vote. The outcome is a distortion of a reasonable reality.
I am not suggesting the Labour victory is unfair - they played by the rules and the Tories have only themselves to blame for internal conflicts and the emergence of Reform.
But it points very clearly to the need to reconsider the way in which UK politics works. For political direction to be dominated by only 34% of the vote is untenable.
Hung parliaments or very small majorities in the UK don't last long, the major exception being the Tory LibDem coalition in 2010. The culture of coalition is immature, tribal politics reign supreme.
This result is a landslide with the lowest level of popular support for the winning party. It is mainly due to tactical voting, near universal dissatisfaction with the Tories, and the emergence of Reform splitting the Tory vote. The outcome is a distortion of a reasonable reality.
I am not suggesting the Labour victory is unfair - they played by the rules and the Tories have only themselves to blame for internal conflicts and the emergence of Reform.
But it points very clearly to the need to reconsider the way in which UK politics works. For political direction to be dominated by only 34% of the vote is untenable.
Not suggesting they do, just an example.
Nah. People saw control of the nation migrating towards the EU and the country importing more people across the channel. I heard no lies at the time of the referendum but I do know that a lot of what what promised became impossible to achieve in the short term. Hence, attacks like yours, common with those who voted against Brexit looking for justification of failure whose reasons are a little too simple.
You may think that but I don't see any government changing the FPTP method of election any time soon. After all, it is how they got into power, right?
Especially after the 2011 refendum about changing the FPTP method to an alternative one was voted down by 60% of the electorate.
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Jacob
What goes around comes around.
If true, then it's even more so, now that we have given up having influence in the EU.
We gave up having power in the EU. They now have more power over us than before brexit.
What, "oven ready deals", "EU trade deal after Brexit should be 'easiest in history" etc etc? You obviously weren't listening.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...trade-deal-after-brexit-easiest-human-history
It failed because it was a very stupid idea to start with.
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You quote the Guardian? And yet you accuse others of telling lies? Your credibility and any subsequent argument fell flat with that comment.If true, then it's even more so now that we have given up having influence in the EU.
We gave up having power in the EU. They now have more power over us than before brexit.
What, "oven ready deals", "EU trade deal after Brexit should be 'easiest in history" etc etc? You obviously weren't listening.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...trade-deal-after-brexit-easiest-human-history
It failed because it was a very stupid idea to start with.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
What, you expect me only to quote from the Mail, Telegraph, or other ***** rag?
PS Have to say - it's interesting that people are still deluding themselves even at this stage of the game.
I've come to think of it as "self gaslighting" (thanks for this idea to @RobinBHM a specialist in this area!)
It's tempting to imagine a cure - maybe a gentle slapping whilst shouting "wake up"?
Come to think - many of them talk of themselves as the "unwoke", so it might be the key.
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Well, the majority of the electorate didn't think so and, had we not suffered the pandemic and the subsequent dip in the world's economy, things would have been very different. EU trade will improve once the EU government give up punishing the UK, According to the 2022 stats on EU - UK trade figures. In fact, UK exports to the EU exceeded pre-pandemic levels in 2022, reaching £340 billion.If true, then it's even more so now that we have given up having influence in the EU.
We gave up having power in the EU. They now have more power over us than before brexit.
What, "oven ready deals", "EU trade deal after Brexit should be 'easiest in history" etc etc? You obviously weren't listening.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...trade-deal-after-brexit-easiest-human-history
It failed because it was a very stupid idea to start with.
Sorry Jacob, I don't read the papers. I get my news and 'facts' from global news agencies and then make up my own mind. Government stats are also a good source of information, as are my shares.What, you expect me only to quote from the Mail, Telegraph, or other silly person rag?
PS Have to say - it's interesting that people are still deluding themselves even at this stage of the game. I've come to think of it as "self gaslighting" (thanks to @RobinBHM a specialist in this area!)
Please remember that your opinion, no matter how vehemently put, is just that, an opinion. I can honestly say that my lifestyle, and those around me, has continued to improve since Brexit. That is my main benchmark. Gaslighting? Nah. Just a reality.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
So everything is alright? I'm so relieved!
I'm pleased to hear that. Now, maybe you can get on with your life and lose the bitter edge...
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
It was a minority of the electorate but a majority of those who turned out.
Feeble excuses for a failed project.
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Another self-deluding cliche regularly coming from the unwoke!
Is "self deluding" the same as "self gaslighting"?
Aye, and that was the key motivation for the architects of brexit. And sod everyone else.
Keith Cocker
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And don’t forget 4 Greens.
Yorkieguy
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Michelle Mone faces criminal charges, along with her husband:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...helle-mone-facing-criminal-bribery-allegation
But the PPE scandal goes much further than that:
£1.4bn-worth of PPE supplied on time and to the specification at the contracted price was written off. The UK's biggest supplier of unused Covid personal protective equipment (PPE) said its products might have spoiled because they were left in shipping containers for several months after being delivered.
A BBC investigation has revealed that about £1.4bn-worth of aprons, masks and goggles, which were fully compliant and delivered in good order, have been incinerated, recycled or written off awaiting disposal. The deal between Full Support Healthcare and the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which was worth £1.8bn, is understood to be the most wasteful of the pandemic.
Sarah Stoute, a former nurse, set up Full Support Healthcare in 2001 in Wellingborough and her husband became a director three years later. As experienced providers of PPE during previous pandemics, they moved quickly in late 2019 to boost supply as Coronavirus broke out.
Under an existing arrangement with the NHS, their company won two DHSC purchase orders, including one for £1.78bn, for face masks and other items. Mrs Stoute said volumes of their product, shipped from China, increased from “eight sea freight containers every month to 800”.
In a post on X, then known as Twitter, in October 2020 she wrote that her “team of 25 people” supplied “one fifth of the PPE national stockpile”. She added: “I’ve paid a few people’s mortgages off this last few weeks.” Afterwards, Mrs Stoute and her husband bought a £30m seafront villa in Barbados; a yacht; a £6m house in the south of England and an international equestrian centre in Bedfordshire.
Giving evidence to the Public Accounts Committee in 2021, she said they "risked everything as a company and went into mass production with no security at all". There is no suggestion the Stoutes or their company did anything wrong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl55lp79dzno#:~:text=A BBC investigation has revealed,or written off awaiting disposal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cll476qzm85o
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