tablesaw group purchase?

[Scrit]

What happens if it does not arrive?
What happens if it arrives bust?
What happenes if it breaks down within 1st year?
What happens if it turns out to be an el rusto?

Probably caveat emptor, which means that the machines need to be cheap to cover the "pig in a poke" scenario. I doubt you'd be able to take any legal action against a company in China, in addition the cost of shipping defective goods back are prohibitive. Surely isn't that part of the cost/risk any FE importer bears?

Who pays import /customs

That I can answer. As the importer you do, although a shipping agent would take on the paperwork and clearance on for you at a price. All you then have to do is to arrange a haulier to collect the goods and transport them, insured, to the drop point where you'd need a fork lift truck to unload them. You don't want to leave a container on the docks for any length of time, nor have it in your care awaiting unloading, either, because hire charges ain't cheap. Nother issue is that the correct documentation for CE marking has to be present at the point of import - if the goods are unlucky enough to be picked up on an inspection and found to have false CE papers or not to be compliant to European regulations then they could just be impounded.

I'm beginning to see why people buying this stuff generally fly out there to see what they are getting first.....

Scrit

 

[Scrit]

I'd give that five seconds over here before it was taken to court for discrimination... (on two counts, what's more)

:lol:

 

[devonwoody]

Back in Oz. again.

Do you know they have workshops available fully equipped with wood working machinery & tools which are available for use by men over 65.

I'd give that five seconds over here before it was taken to court for discrimination... (on two counts, what's more)

Cheers, Alf

It was created for widowed men.

They also have other activities for ladies as well, but it not called mens shed.

 

[devonwoody]

Anyway I do not have a business address so I didn't look further, but if they come out at £100 each I would most probably be interested.

What do they cost?

 

[ike]

devonwoody wrote:
http://burt.manufacturer.globalsources. ... le-Saw.htm

Minimum purchase twenty, unless anyone is good at chineese and negotiating.

Realistically, minimum purchase would have to be 48 i.e. to fill a 20' container, for minimum shipping cost. Add insurance, import duty, any port/clearance fees, inland transport and VAT. Maybe 48 buyers could save £100 each. Would I pay upfront to a private individual with no experience of importation and distribution, then wait at least 2 months to get my goods with no consumer guarantee at all? Err, nope.

Ike

 

[ike]

Would I pay upfront to a private individual

Re-read my post and thought it could be read the wrong way.

DW, I was NOT referring to you personally, very much more a generalised chain of thought. Sorry for not making my point clearer if anyone thought otherwise :

cheers,

ike

 

[engineer one]

reckon you're being optomistic ike if you think the cash flow timescale would only be 8 weeks, in my experience it is always more like 12 weeks.

it is only when you look more carefully, that you understand the risks the importers actually take for their money.

paul :wink:

 

[devonwoody]

Would I pay upfront to a private individual

Re-read my post and thought it could be read the wrong way.

DW, I was NOT referring to you personally, very much more a generalised chain of thought. Sorry for not making my point clearer if anyone thought otherwise :

cheers,

ike

No problem Ike, I never thought that way for one moment.

But if you could buy one for onehundred pounds, also knowing there are spares around, perhaps.!!!!!!!

 

[mahking51]

Hi All,
I think the bulk purchase thing was mentioned a while ago re Bessey Clamps but IIRC there were all sorts of potential hiccups.
Rgards,
Martin

 

[ike]

Engineer one wrote:

it is only when you look more carefully, that you understand the risks the importers actually take for their money

I think so too. I design and source parts direct from several Chinese/Taiwanese suppliers for my company. Doing business with the Chinese can be very straightforward but there are many pitfalls that can trip up someone not experienced in dealing with them. To be fair it's very easy for things to go wrong because something is misunderstood - lost in translation so to speak, but they are very sharp doing business.

DW wrote:

But if you could buy one for onehundred pounds, also knowing there are spares around, perhaps.!!!!!!!

The days of very low cost goods from China are fading fast and I doubt there would be a huge discount to be had on what for them is a minimal quantity of goods in a one-off shipment. Order a 500 saws or more and they'll definitely sit up and sharpen their pencil!

There is significant risk involved certainly more so in a private business venture, not that you won't receive the goods, they'll arrive as promised. No but if there is a quality issue on opening the goods, you would be basically stuffed with no comeback at all.

Which is where Axminster or other significant machinery importer has the clout to deal with such issues.

cheers,

ike

 

[devonwoody]

I was in Shanghai the other week (honest) and you could purchase 5 Rolex watches for £10.

 

[ike]

Oh, so it was YOU who's been flooding Ebay with them! :lol:

 

[prestondocks]

Sharing machinary sounds great, HOWEVER!!!!!

Does anyone know the laws surround this and especially health and saftey. If the hirer loses his/her fingers they could take the owner to the cleaners.

I would not want to sue anybody, however I have a mortgate to pay and if I could no longer work due to serious injury, I would have consider compensation.

Just somthing to think about.

Simon

 

[DomValente]

Get a solicitor to draw up a disclaimer,shouldn't cost much more than the saw

Dom

 

[prestondocks]

I see the pun, but seriously you can not disclame your self out of health and safety. The owner would have to show that the user had been thoroughly trained on the use of that particular saw. He would also have to ensure his workshop fully complied with H&S regulations. If you did not, it will not matter how many disclaimers you have, you would be prosecuted.

For a serious breach this could even mean a jail term.

I know I sound very depressive, but accidents do happen with the simplest of tasks.