Table Saw braking

[andypo]

Do all ts both diy and industrial have to have a mechanism to stop the blade within 10 secs. Reason I ask is my ts doesnt have a break fitted and im 99% sure it doesnt stop within 10 secs. It was bought in oct 07 new
cheers
Andy

 

[DaveL]

It was bought in oct 08 new

Are you The Doctor ?

 

[dennis]

Perhaps it was 1908

Dennis

 

[andypo]

my mistake

 

[Scrit]

Do all ts both diy and industrial have to have a mechanism to stop the blade within 10 secs. Reason I ask is my ts doesnt have a break fitted and im 99% sure it doesnt stop within 10 secs. It was bought in oct 07 new

Yes. In order to be CE-marked new table saws need to be capable of stopping within 10 seconds, so the requirements for stopping have nothing to do with the requirements for industrial use (which come under the PUWER98 regs as well)

Scrit

 

[andypo]

Cheers
So if my table saw does not stop within 10 seconds have i been sold this illegaly and if so whats my rights
Cheers Andy

 

[Scrit]

If the machine is CE marked then it is illegal because it is not CE-compliant. If it is not CE marked then the machine has been imported/sold illegally (it is illegal to sell machinery which is not CE-compliant and marked as such). Either way it's a case for local Trading Standards. The Health & Safety Executive will also be interested in the matter as they police certain aspects of the law. One problem is that many Chinese firms think that CE-compliance consists of adding a "CE" sticker to their products - which is why we still have toys painted with lead paint, dangerous electrical products and the like being sold.

The main issue is probably not that the machine takes 12 or 20 seconds or so run down, it is that the blade continues to spin, silently, for some time after the machine has been powered down. In that case were you to forget that the blade is still spinning it is possible that an accident could occur should a piece of material or a hand come in contact with the blade. Think about how often you sweep away offcuts casually with your hand if you like. It is to reduce these instances of so-called "run-down" accidents that the stopping time regulation was introduced, and in industry it has been very succesful in reducing such accidents since 2000

Scrit

 

[andypo]

Thanks Scrit I will check this tomorrow and look for a CE sticker
Cheers
Andy

 

[Tusses]

AFAIK - the CE mark is a 'self certification'

so yes - it should comply, but no one checks to see if its up to the grade before you/they are alowed to put a sticker on it !

you can buy the stickers to stick on yourself if you make something that needs one

 

[Scrit]

Not all CE marking is self-certifying. Some categories of machines require a test house to certify them (although not circular saws). I know of at least one woordorking machinery dealer importing from China who had to recall a number of woodworking machines which they had sent out with "CE" stickers after complaints had been received by the HSE about the illegal and dangerous guarding of same.

Scrit

 

[BradNaylor]

Not all CE marking is self-certifying. Some categories of machines require a test house to certify them (although not circular saws). I know of at least one woordorking machinery dealer importing from China who had to recall a number of woodworking machines which they had sent out with "CE" stickers after complaints had been received by the HSE about the illegal and dangerous guarding of same.

Scrit

When I came to sell a piece of machinery which was, I suspect, purchased from the very same company to which Scrit refers, I found out that the CE sticker prominantly displayed actually referred to the stop/start box, not the machine itself!

I would recommend extreme caution when buying from certain importers.

This particular one advertises prominantly on this site.

Cheers
Dan

 

[dennis]

Scrit

I work for a construction firm in a chemical factory where safety is paramount,you nearly have to have a risk assessment and method statement to go to the toilet however the contractors compounds are tucked away where nobody else really goes and I use 2 diesel saw benches I can nearly have a cup of coffee in the time it takes the blades to stop what is the ruling on diesel saw benches.

Dennis

 

[Scrit]

When I came to sell a piece of machinery which was, I suspect, purchased from the very same company to which Scrit refers, I found out that the CE sticker prominantly displayed actually referred to the stop/start box, not the machine itself!

Yes, sounds like the same people.

Scrit

 

[eggflan]

Scrit

I work for a construction firm in a chemical factory where safety is paramount,you nearly have to have a risk assessment and method statement to go to the toilet however the contractors compounds are tucked away where nobody else really goes and I use 2 diesel saw benches I can nearly have a cup of coffee in the time it takes the blades to stop what is the ruling on diesel saw benches.

Dennis

Diesel powered :shock: :shock:

Im surprised your company can afford to run them with fuel at the price it is :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[dennis]

I cant believe it I got to work this morning and started both diesel saws up then stopped them and they both stopped in under 10secs it is surprising how long 10secs is.

Dennis

 

[Benchwayze]

Think about how often you sweep away offcuts casually with your hand if you like.

Scrit

Not me Scrit. I let the saw run down and check it's stopped, before I drop the guard and unplug. Always.

Then I might flick scraps away with a brush! Even a stationary saw can cut fingers.

There's no brake on my Coronet saw, nor a CE mark. So I guess it's not legal outside my shop.

The brake on a new saw I bought a few years ago shook the machine so badly that unknown to me, it loosened the blade mountings, causing the blade to foul metal. Flying TCT teeth everywhere. I was lucky to be wearing a visor at the time.

I won't be buying a new T/saw.

John

 

[devonwoody]

Any brake action that takes over a fraction of a second is pointless really.

I reckon one day they (EU) my require the Saw Stop system to be compulsory?

 

[Benchwayze]

I reckon one day they might ban circular saws altogether. It wouldn't surprise me!

Inverted routers would be next, (Not good for the router anyhow) and planers with American swing-away guards too!

I just hate interfering busybodys who need a safety net around their swivel chairs.
:lol:

John

 

[Digit]

Me too John, we're no doubt Neandertals to some! :lol:

Roy.

 

[Benchwayze]

Well Roy,

I would prefer 'Dinosaur' The herbivores were much gentler creatures, on the whole! :lol:

Seriously, I know I am not immune to accidents. The worst I had was with my guillotine trimmer. I touched the cutting edge somehow and instinctively drew my hand away pretty fast. What I hadn't realised was my finger was sticking out through the blade aperture and I succeeded in dragging my finger onto the edge. Cut me to the bone and need a couple of stitches. It healed up almost invisibly, but it stings like Hell when the weather is really cold! I keep my fingers well away from those blades now.

Generally, I keep clear of sawblades too and if I ever drop a router, then I hope I remember not to try and catch it!

For sure, I am not likely to volunteer to finger-test that 'instant-stop' saw I viewed on Youtube. I think I would use a Frankfurter too.

Regards
John