So this Dovetailing business?...

[TRITON]

By eye, with/without dividers, sliding bevels etc. Not by machine - they hadn't been invented
We are talking about hand cut DTs.
The first DTs would be prehistoric - it's a simple and highly functional joint, not a recent 18C discovery!

......awaits proof.

 

[Jacob]

......awaits proof.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovet... the earliest known,Maha Siva Temple in India.

 

[TRITON]

Thats masonry Jacob. You need to show the evidence in cabinet making.

 

[Jacob]

Thats masonry Jacob. You need to show the evidence in cabinet making.

I don't "need to show" anything, it's common knowledge.
Here's a few odds and ends.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...KHTXnCYUQjJkEegQIIxAC&biw=960&bih=503&dpr=1.5

 

[Jacob]

I don't "need to show" anything, it's common knowledge.
Here's a few odds and ends.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...KHTXnCYUQjJkEegQIIxAC&biw=960&bih=503&dpr=1.5

What would be surprising would be to find that they didn't arrive until the 18C. DT is a very simple and extremely useful "joiner's" joint.

 

[Droogs]

@TRITON There are plenty of examples of items made as far back as the 3rd Dynasty in ancient Egypt that are wood and have dovetails. In fact Irving Finkel one of the curators at the Natural History Museum has shown a games box for the "Royal Game of Ur" played by the Sumerian from around 6K BCE, which has dovetails

 

[Jacob]

@TRITON There are plenty of examples of items made as far back as the 3rd Dynasty in ancient Egypt that are wood and have dovetails. In fact Irving Finkel one of the curators at the Natural History Museum has shown a games box for the "Royal Game of Ur" played by the Sumerian from around 6K BCE, which has dovetails

I bet there are stone age examples with crude DTs holding slate flags together.

 

[thetyreman]

yeah didn't the druids use dovetails at stone henge?

 

[Jacob]

yeah didn't the druids use dovetails at stone henge?

Yebbut one or two came apart.

 

[Droogs]

M&T

 

[Sgian Dubh]

Thats masonry Jacob. You need to show the evidence in cabinet making.

This is shocking, because twice on the same day I've found myself in agreement with Jacob. If I'm not careful I could find myself in a mutually admiring tryst with the man, which just isn't on.

He is correct, dovetails in wooden artefacts have been around for millennia. I can't quickly find many pictorial example of Egyptian dovetails via Aunty Google, but here's a link to one. Here's another link. My hazy recollection is that Egyptian dovetails tended to favour wide pins and slender tails, the reverse of contemporary preferences. Slainte.

 

[doctor Bob]

I'm confused, which are the oldest dovetails, the ones from ancient Egypt or the ones Jacob did in his youth?

 

[Jacob]

This is shocking, because twice on the same day I've found myself in agreement with Jacob. If I'm not careful I could find myself in a mutually admiring tryst with the man, which just isn't on.
.....

No you'd have to learn a sense of humour first! Less "arch", more wit.
I googled "sarcastic scotsman" and it brings up pages, it's obviously a phenomenon!

 

[Droogs]

☝really could be one of my uncles

 

[TRITON]

This is shocking, because twice on the same day I've found myself in agreement with Jacob. If I'm not careful I could find myself in a mutually admiring tryst with the man, which just isn't on.

He is correct, dovetails in wooden artefacts have been around for millennia. I can't quickly find many pictorial example of Egyptian dovetails via Aunty Google, but here's a link to one. Here's another link. My hazy recollection is that Egyptian dovetails tended to favour wide pins and slender tails, the reverse of contemporary preferences. Slainte.

I know he's correct. It's a little troll by myself, with some good natured feeling behind it. Once you get absorbed enough into the subject to toddle off and do college on this, you research these thing. So im well aware of the origins.

But you know Jacob, he loves to get his teeth into such things and nip off for some intensive googling to prove himself right. And it keeps him busy

 

[Jacob]

......

But you know Jacob, he loves to get his teeth into such things and nip off for some intensive googling to prove himself right. And it keeps him busy

True I do like a bit of intensive googling, not "to prove myself right" but to find out the facts! Everybody should try it!
Quite happy to be proved wrong, it does happen; was it 2005 perhaps? Can't remember the details!

 

[Adam W.]

Don't let facts stand in the way of a good myth.

 

[Sgian Dubh]

No you'd have to learn a sense of humour first! Less "arch", more wit.

Ah! The first signs of admiration fulsomely demonstrated. I'll be floating on a cloud of exultant joy for the whole of today. Now, where is my 'humour' switch, ha, ha. Slainte.

 

[TRITON]

True I do like a bit of intensive googling, not "to prove myself right" but to find out the facts! Everybody should try it!
Quite happy to be proved wrong, it does happen; was it 2005 perhaps? Can't remember the details!

That wasnt meant in any negative way J, more tongue in cheek.

 

[John Brown]

I'm confused, which are the oldest dovetails, the ones from ancient Egypt or the ones Jacob did in his youth?

It's a long story. I seem to remember something about a mess of potage.