Shed build

[David_c]

Just joined this forum as i am hoping to learn a bit about building a shed. Hope thats ok. I really do need help with one or two bits .

I'm gloucester based though originally from Derbyshire . Usually attempt wood projects slowly and with plenty
of tea breaks ... , its hobby stuff , i just love wood and have made a few
things i am proud of . Hoping to get good enough one day to make furniture with real wood and real joints not just shelves !

To be honest i have been looking at a few workshop builds on here already
over the last few weeks and learnt alot of tips .

workshop builds seem quite popular it seems , anyway i have started taking
the odd photo with the aim of keeping a diary of the build.

Just today got the timber delivered .

My budget is pretty restricted so i have had to keep the timber sizes down.
I'm using tanalised 2x4 for the floor frame and i have 2x3
tanalised for the walls and roof ( favouring trusses currently). I have some
good ply around to use as strengthening .
I have osb in 18mm for floor ( kity 419 is heaviest kit) and osb 12mm
for roof sheeting.
abw will be around 16 ft x 10ft , height to be decided as i need to catch up
with the neighbour and get his ok .
Hoping to insulate with seconds kingspan in the floor and walls / roof as i reckon that will help with keeping the neighbours happy on the noise issue.

I cant decide what to use for the base under the 2 x 4 s , i need to keep
costs down and would like advice on this please as i just cant make my mind up on this ...

Could i use dust / mot whacked down and just rest bricks or breeze blocks on this , could i get away with three 16ft channels , i really dont want to fill the garden with concrete but i know it would be a false economy not to support this build properly .

Thanks for looking .... Cheers , David

 

[Digit]

The easiest, and cheapest way, is a series of 'spots' to rest your beams on Dave. Dig down till the ground is reasonably solid then pour concrete to ground level. Brick, or blocks on top will then lift your beams above the damp ground level.

 

[David_c]

Thanks Digit ,

How many 'spots' would you say , i mean what span is ok with 2x4 do you reckon ?

Cheers David

 

[Digit]

Depends on which way you lay your 4x2s.
Try a practical test, lay your beam on two bricks and load it, you could stand on it, that should help you check. The addition of the floor will stiffen the beams as well of course.
I was fortunate in that I had some 5in sq beams, at a guess I would suggest that one spot every 3ft would be sufficient if the beam is stood on its 2in face, but the brick test should help.

 

[superunknown]

I am in the process of a workshop build in the same way as mentioned here,
4 x 2 on concrete pillars. I have a center beam of 2 pieces of 4 x 2 bolted together with toothed washers, this is very strong. All my joists then come of that at 16"(400mm) centers and fixed with joist hangers.

My build is 20' x 10' and I have 12 concrete pads.

 

[OLD]

http://www.stapeley1.plus.com/build regs & calcs.pdf
Page 44 table a1 .25-.5 38x97mm spans at 400mm spacing 1.72 mtr.max span.
So each 4x2 must be supported at each end and middle just set bricks mortared to ballast to provide supports.

 

[David_c]

Many Thanks,

You have convinced me i will go for the pad method.

Digit , That sounds like a sensible test , i may just do that to satisfy myself that i 've got the right number of pads .

Nola - Checked out your concrete pads method on your weblog , photos explain things much better dont you think ! Keep posting the photos i for one will find your weblog compelling viewing. Hope your build is going well .

Old , Hey wheres the paracetamol gone ... ':?', seriously though i think
i would lose it if i had to refer to tech stuff like that pdf , i need it to be simply set out for me i'm afraid . I'm sure its an excellent reference for those who can take it all in mind. I checked out your Summer house on the web , thats one very impressive structure i must say !



I have realised that i need to bear in mind the lay of the land for my build.
The area where the shed is going in is around 6 or 8 inches higher than
the surrounding area on two sides at least , the gable end will be very close to what is currently an excuse for a retaining wall which i will need to
replace , so i suppose it would be best to do that first so i dont end up disturbing the ground around my concrete pads .

If i got my photo in , On my photo you can see I was thinking of fastening two of the 2x4 s
together too for extra rigidity ( using tiny noggings ), had an idea i might create three sets of two running along the length as i seem to have ordered enough timber to do this . I would then fill in the frame between the three assemblies with noggings whilst the ends would be 10ft length 2x4 s to cap it off , what do you think ?

Grateful (very ) newbie , David

 

[Digit]

If you are likely to disturb any ground near your pads Dave just take them down below the disturbance.

 

[OLD]

Its difficult to simplify further thats the span of 4x2 to support max 50kg force per square meter . the most straight forward method is three rows of supports small slabs or bricks to limit the span, extra noggins/ring beams etc take force into other local bearers and stiffen the floor further.

 

[David_c]

Thanks Digit ,
That makes good sense.

Any idea how i post photos on here ?

David

 

[Digit]

If I ever manage to sort that out Dave you'll be the first one to know! :lol:

 

[superunknown]

Thanks Digit ,
That makes good sense.

Any idea how i post photos on here ?

David

[img]http://www.yourphotourl.com/photo.jpg[/img]

I'm not sure how to link to the photo you show in your picasa album. Can't seem to find a direct link to display it here?


EDIT:

This may help
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/12/embed-photos-from-picasa-web-albums.html

 

[Digit]

Cheers Nola, I'll give it a whirl later. I tried the info that's already been posted but it didn't work out for me. Mind you, even our phone sulks when I try to use it!

 

[chicken_house_man]

I've normally supported sheds on concrete blocks. If the ground is firm then simply slicing a flat pad for it to sit on is ok. If a 16' squre shed than rest on about 30 blocks and seems firm enough. I've another one on posts concreted into the ground put this seems quite bouncy.

if you were thinking of doubling up the timbers it might be worth considering stacking them vetically to make 8x2?

 

[David_c]

Lets try this then.

http://www.picasaweb.google.com/iquitel ... 795938.jpg

Ok so now i know how to drop someone elses photos in , i just cant do it from picasaweb . mmmm.

 

[DaveL]

Hi David,

For the img tag on the forum to work you need a URL that ends in .jpg or .gif. You need to drill down to get this on picasa.

I have not use this host but I am sure others on the forum have try searching for picasa.

 

[David_c]

Hi Dave L,

thanks for that , best remove that photo from your post as its not mine , i was just uploading and editing and you obviously caught it in time to copy it off.

I was trying that jpg trick , wonder why it didnt work ?

 

[David_c]

not sure what i did there , need to resize it mind !

You are right Dave L , i had to drill down as you say , by right clicking , properties and copying the url from that it seems to have worked .
Looks like the first image had a problem with being too large maybe.

HE HE got there in the end !

Now perhaps i can get back to the job in hand ... ':lol:'


David

EDIT- I dont believe it that one has gone now aswell , is google blocking the link i wonder , you may be right Nola afterall.
Anyway its too late for all this now , need some shuteye !

 

[superunknown]

I have searched this a bit more, Picasa wont allow direct linking to a picture. :roll:

So for posting images on the forum you may have to try photobucket , flickr or similar.

Shame.


EDIT: wow you did it I'll shut up! lol

 

[David_c]

Will this link work i wonder ?

Looks like it does work then , if you are daft enough , suggest you click on slideshow, it is all legal decent and honest (apologies for that ).

http://picasaweb.google.com/iquiteliket ... P-07mP43bE