Scrap Diesel cars

[woodpig]

Looks like the UK is starting to get serious about getting rid of Diesel cars:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38931671

 

[novocaine]

is it reelection time already?

 

[lurker]

Maybe he would be better to get his own house in order first. London transport should get rid of all their diesel buses
I think I read somewhere recently that lorries & buses were resonsible for around 80% of emissions in cities

 

[woodpig]

I think I read somewhere recently that lorries & buses were resonsible for around 80% of emissions in cities

Not according to this.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

 

[lurker]

I think I read somewhere recently that lorries & buses were resonsible for around 80% of emissions in cities

Not according to this.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

I think thats comparing new buses & new cars, but thanks for pionting it out

I might be wrong but but judging form what my eyes are telling me old buses & trucks are spewing out visible filth

 

[Cheshirechappie]

I seem to recall a big hoo-ha a few years ago concerning the mandatory fitting of catalytic converters to new vehicle exhausts - at great expense - for the specific purpose of reducing pollution. Did they turn out to be a load of bullocks or something?

This whole debate about 'dirty diesel cars' has a whiff of environmentalist virtue signalling about it. Anybody genuinely trying to address pollution in cities would look to reduce the use of internal combustion engines across the piece (good luck with that one!). The targeting of private cars just looks like a tactic to pick off the easy victims rather than address the problem as a whole.

 

[Keithie]

lol...but we bought our two diesel cars because the government told us it was better for the environment ...where's my compensation...I'm totally devastated that I've been damaging the environment because of the advice the government gave me!

That aside, surely this is just the latest smoke & mirrors thing? Uk needs to respond to EU rules on us failing to meet pollution standards. Uk needs to present an action plan. Once we're out of the EU we wont need to comply with the rules or implement any such plan.

If global economies (governments or corporates) gave a hoot about environmentalism things would be very different...but politics is politcs and money is money.

 

[woodpig]

This whole debate about 'dirty diesel cars' has a whiff of environmentalist virtue signalling about it.

Hardly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ar-UK.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... roads.html

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I seem to recall a big hoo-ha a few years ago concerning the mandatory fitting of catalytic converters to new vehicle exhausts - at great expense - for the specific purpose of reducing pollution. Did they turn out to be a load of bullocks or something?

I did read a long while ago that it was thought that the mining of the platinum used in them caused pro rata more pollution than the catalytic converter saved in its lifetime.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

This whole debate about 'dirty diesel cars' has a whiff of environmentalist virtue signalling about it.

Hardly.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ar-UK.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... roads.html

Why only target cars, though? Are delivery vans, HGVs, buses, taxis, portable and emergency generators, construction equipment and so on not contributing to the problem? Why victimise one group of internal combustion engine users, but not the others?

 

[woodpig]

Why only target cars, though? Are delivery vans, HGVs, buses, taxis, portable and emergency generators, construction equipment and so on not contributing to the problem? Why victimise one group of internal combustion engine users, but not the others?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

Car drivers have a choice of petrol or Diesel. HGV and bus drivers don't. :wink:

 

[stuartpaul]

Why only target cars, though? Are delivery vans, HGVs, buses, taxis, portable and emergency generators, construction equipment and so on not contributing to the problem? Why victimise one group of internal combustion engine users, but not the others?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

Car drivers have a choice of petrol or Diesel. HGV and bus drivers don't. :wink:

And whilst in remains overall cheaper for me to run my diesel that's what I'll continue to do. However, I suspect the cowardly politicians will simply tax diesels off the road in due course.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Why only target cars, though? Are delivery vans, HGVs, buses, taxis, portable and emergency generators, construction equipment and so on not contributing to the problem? Why victimise one group of internal combustion engine users, but not the others?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

Car drivers have a choice of petrol or Diesel. HGV and bus drivers don't. :wink:

Not true. There's no immutable rule that either HGVs or buses must be powered by diesel engines. There's petrol, LPG, electrics (milk floats!). Many military vehicles during WW2 were petrol-engine, even including the biggest tanks and tank transporters, so as to avoid confusion over fuelling and reduce supply problems. No reason at all why modern larger vehicles couldn't be. Except fuel efficiency.....

I rather agree with Stuartpaul. The cowardly politicians are going after car drivers because they're an easy target, not because it will solve the problem. Hence - environmentalist virtue-signalling, rather that a comprehensive range of measures to tackle the problem properly.

 

[woodpig]

Not true. There's no immutable rule that either HGVs or buses must be powered by diesel engines. There's petrol, LPG, electrics (milk floats!). Many military vehicles during WW2 were petrol-engine, even including the biggest tanks and tank transporters, so as to avoid confusion over fuelling and reduce supply problems. No reason at all why modern larger vehicles couldn't be.

Yes it is true. HGV and Bus drivers don't have a choice, they drive what they're told to!

They are slowly building electric buses but don't expect to see petrol trucks anytime soon.

Diesel car drivers can choose to stop driving Diesel cars when they buy their next new car. :wink:

 

[Cheshirechappie]

You're confusing 'drivers' with 'vehicle owners and operators'. If gummint legislates to exclude diesel-engine vehicles from cities, then vehicle owners and operators will demand non-diesel powered options, and manufacturers will react accordingly.

By the way, government hasn't put forward any legislation to ban or over-tax diesel cars (yet). The current debate is just people flying kites.

 

[woodpig]

By the way, government hasn't put forward any legislation to ban or over-tax diesel cars (yet). The current debate is just people flying kites.

Don't hold your breath (unless you drive a diesel) higher taxes will be on the way for Diesels soon enough.

A car dealer on TV last night said the resale value of Diesels has dropped and diesel sales of new cars is also down according to the dealer where I just bought my new car.

 

[woodpig]

There's a petition here:

https://secure.greenpeace.org.uk/page/s ... iesel-cars

For anyone that values health above a few extra mpg.

 

[Cheshirechappie]

There's a petition here:

https://secure.greenpeace.org.uk/page/s ... iesel-cars

For anyone that values health above a few extra mpg.

Greenpeace, eh? We can be absolutely sure there won't be the merest whiff of environmentalist virtue-signalling there, then!

 

[Trevsf1]

We all know why these guys make dont make an impact http://waterpoweredcar.com/[url]. ...ere bought by Shell Oil The power of the $$$

 

[t8hants]

Ah Greenpeace who campaigned so that we all adopted unleaded petrol, one of the most toxic fluids in general use.
Based on a scientific report allegedly sponsored by the oil companies that showed lead levels in the blood streams of inner city kids was about the same as that endured by the Anglo Saxon's therefore it must be because of traffic pollution and not elderly paint and plumbing.
It is also entirely coincidental that since the adoption of unleaded petrol insect life and bird numbers have taken a downward trend.
Perfectly good arable land taken out of food production for solar farms, but the replacement food is now shipped or flown in from Asia.
If the greens ever have an idea that is good for the environment and public health it will be a first.