Scheppach 2010 Owners

[andypo]

Hi I have just bought a Scheppach 2010 table saw with the table extensions and the sliding table attatchments.
i have noticed that the edge where the table extensions joins on the main part of the saw is slightly proud which results in the fence hitting this edge when moving from the right to left. I have tried everything and cannot get rid of this proud edge. The table extensions match up perfectly with the fence rail but not the table bed.
I have put a level on the table bed parallel to the blade ( right of blade ) and have noticed that the aluminium bed is not flat there is a slight rocking as though it bowed.
I bought it on monday and took it back to the shop where i purchased it yesterday. The fella who sold me it has been great he changed the table extensions for brand new ones still didn't fix the problem though. His colleague came out and tried to tell me that all table saws have this problem and that it will not affect the cutting of the saw. I told him he was talking rubbish ( I am right aren't I?). I left the saw and picked it up today. Still has the problem and the fella who was dealing with me said to take it away and have a play around to see if it is all ok.
Now i'm not happy as i paid £700.
Is he right do all saws have faults of one way or another I have already spoke with consumer direct reference how i stand with regards to full refund.
What would you people do ?
Anyway thanks for your time
Andy

 

[WellsWood]

Hi Andy,
I think you've discovered the problem with your straightedge, the main table appears to be not flat.
Tables on tablesaws should be flat, certainly to within a few thousands of an inch, if yours isn't it's faulty. Take it back and don't let them fob you off with that old "it doesn't affect the cut" nonsense. If you bought a new car with a dent in the bonnet would you accept it because the car goes just as well? I think not.
With cheap tools it can be argued that lower quality and accuracy are acceptable, but at £700 you have not bought a cheap tool by anyone's standard.
Why not give the importers NMA a ring and see what they have to say, I've always found them to be very helpful, they're on 01484 400488.

 

[Mike.C]

I agree with Mark, the table should be completely flat, or as near as dam it.
Return it and either get your money back or a complete new saw, and before you leave the shop check the flatness of the main table.

Scheppach are not what they used to be, and is seems that there are a lot more complaints about the quailty of their products.

Let us know how you get on.

Cheers

Mike

 

[andypo]

Thought I would just update whats going on.
The importers contacted me and have said that I need to send the saw back to them for it to be set up properly. Now this worrys me because when I contaceted them originally after Markw advised me too they told me to put shims under the extension table to bring it up the few mil its missing. Surely you shouldn't be putting shims under a brand new £700 table saw so i politely declined and went back to the shop They said that they would have a word with LMA hence the phone call from them today.
Both LMA and the shop i bought from have been very helpful and this is no way a slur on them its just that ive read a lot of bad stories concerning the construction of this saw.

Now I know I can get a full refund but i do actually like saw but what i don't want is a lot of hassle sending saw back to get it back only to find they have put shims under the extensions as this will not be acceptable to me. Once i'm out of 28 days it will be harder to get a full refund.

What would you people do?

Would you get full refund ( I am right in beleiving I can get a full refund as its been faulty from day one) and buy something else like the axminster cast iron or the fox cast iron or something else any advice much appreciated

 

[Jake]

What's wrong with shimming it? Sounds eminently sensible to me.

 

[menatnma]

As ever we are here to help. Getting a full refund after 28 days may be tricky, but the sales contract is not with us.
Andy, just to put your mind at ease, you have a 2 year warranty on the machine and we are responsible for that. Shimming is an accepted engineering solution (thanks to Jake for his sense on this point) however, I would never consider it unless they can be placed in such a manner that they cannot fall out during normal usage, and so represent a permanent solution.
Although the TS2010 is a small saw, it has all the features of larger saws and, therefore, has all the parts and required adjustments of a larger saw. As such it can be tricky to set up as a first saw, but if you follow other threads re. this those that have done it have found it rewarding and are happy with their saw.
As you say, you are happy with the saw, so when you are ready to be without it for 1 week let us have a look and get it sorted for you.

JDO - Technical Dept. @ NMA (Agencies) Ltd- 1st Post

 

[WellsWood]

Jake and JDO of NMA are quite right, shimming is a perfectly acceptable method of aligning the auxiliary table with the main table. The method is used all the time in engineering, and in fact the lager saws in the range like my 2500 ship with a set of shims to go behind the brackets for the sliding table rail, so that it can be set for squareness to the blade. This is because there's a finite limit to how accurately youcan manufacture something from folded sheet steel, particularly when, like everything else, it's made to a price.
JDO is also correct when he says they can take a while to get them spot on, I probably spent a good month fiddling and fettling before I was happy with the repeatability of mine. It seemed to "settle" somewhat over the first few weeks so a certain amount of re-adjustment was necessary during that time. Once the process was complete however I had a great machine that I can trust pretty much completely.
Here's the rub though. None of that makes a jot of difference if your table isn't flat, and that's what I thought we were discussing.

I have put a level on the table bed parallel to the blade ( right of blade ) and have noticed that the aluminium bed is not flat there is a slight rocking as though it bowed.

If it's a matter of getting 2 flat surfaces in the same plane then yes, shimming is the way. But no amount of shimming will correct a bowed table segment and a table which is consequently out of plane. There is room for some argument here though since it depends on what the manufacturers tolerance is on flatness of the table, but I can't believe it would be more than a few thou'.
All in all it sounds to me like one of 3 things: badly made, badly put together, or damaged in transit. Any of these is cause for replacement at the vendors expense, i.e. they should collect it from you and replace it with one which is within the stated manufacturing tolerances and therefore fit for it's intended purpose.
With the greatest respect to NMA, whom I have dealt with a number of times and always found to be helpful and professional, offering to set it up properly if you send it back to them is not really acceptable IMO. This isn't a fault that has developed within the guarantee period, this is faulty "out of the box" so to speak, and the correct course of action is to simply open another box.

edit:
p.s. Andy, if you put your location in your profile you may find a local member with experience of these (or similar) willing to come round and give you a hand setting it up. Sometimes an obvious solution presents itself with the benefit of another perspective.

 

[woof]

I am looking for my first table saw - located in garage (see other thread) and was seriously considering this TS2010 as an option. It seems a popular saw here as several owners, but is the problem described in this thread a one off or a bad batch of saws just put out on the market? Thanks

 

[stevel]

I have had no extension table misalignment with my TS2010, my only complaint is the time it takes to get the sliding table square and in plane.I also spent several weeks getting my TS2010 set up but now I am very happy with the accuracy and repeatability. If you like the saw (as I do) then I suggest you persevere.


Steve

 

[andypo]

NMA is there any chance you could open a new saw and send that out to me and do an exchange at my place This would make me feel a lot better about the whole deal.

Woof I recommend this saw i honestly belive that I have just been unlucky but the good thing about it is NMA seem very genuine.
I have had no problem with the sliding saw, in fact that is what i like most about it . Granted took a wee while to set up but now all i do is align to a mark and bobs your uncle.

Anyways NMA you got me number would prefer you sending out a replacement ( exchange at my place) rather than me sending mine in for a week.
Cheers

 

[Streepips]

I had a similar issue with a TS2500, and resolved it by adjusting the bolts and locking nuts that hold and align the table top to the frame. Its not in the manual but its straightforward and the difference in use is amazing
As suggested , persevere, you will get issues with any machine but Scheppach are generally very well engineered and built and I dont imagine that there will be very much wrong with it

 

[andypo]

Just to update everyone.
NMA sent out a replacement saw a couple of weeks ago. Have to say there service has been first class.
Everything is set up now and I have to say I am very very happy with the saw. The sliding table is first class once set up it stays accurate. The fence is acurate so overall a very accurate saw.
Definetly recommend this saw.

Thanks NMA for first class service.