problem stanley no4?

[woodbutcher]

hi bugbear

no i have not found the fault, although i have managed to improuve it a little by moveing the frog back, the next thing to try is to regrind the angle on the blade which seems quite steep and see if this helps.

woodbutcher
(richard)

 

[Paul Chapman]

the next thing to try is to regrind the angle on the blade which seems quite steep and see if this helps.

In my view, it's doubtful that re-grinding the blade will make any difference. The projection of the blade is controlled by the 'Y' lever engaging in the slot in the cap iron and moving the blade/cap iron assembly up and down as the adjuster nut is turned. I'm sure you will find that, assuming everything else is set up properly, the slot in the cap iron is too high.

Did you buy the plane second-hand? If so a previous owner may have fitted a cap iron from another plane, thereby causing the problem. If you bought the plane new, then there would seem to be a manufacturing fault when they cut the slot in the cap iron.

Some pictures would help.........

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Tom K]

Yebbut he's measured it (the Hole) and it seems fairly standard :?:

 

[Paul Chapman]

Yebbut he's measured it (the Hole) and it seems fairly standard :?:

Yebbut the blade's still sticking out so it follows that the 'fairly standard' hole position is wrong for his plane (all other things being equal).

If you take one of your planes and move the cap iron further up the blade (say half an inch) you will find that the blade is sticking out of the sole of the plane and you won't be able to retract it far enough to get it above the sole. This should demonstrate what I am saying. The projection of the blade is determined by the position of the hole in the cap iron in which the 'Y' lever engages.

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[Tom K]

Nah the cap iron is well within normal range and he says he fitted the cap iron close to the edge of the blade. Unless the plane is fitted with an incorrect frog or the area that the yoke fits to is badly cast the yoke is the
most likely culprit. If the yoke is'nt bent or cracked then perhaps the pivot pin is.

 

[bugbear]

hi bugbear

no i have not found the fault, although i have managed to improuve it a little by moveing the frog back, the next thing to try is to regrind the angle on the blade which seems quite steep and see if this helps.

woodbutcher
(richard)

The grinding will make no difference.

Hmm. Time to get serious(ish). As an experiment (not a cure) I suggest running the adjuster wheel all the way off its threaded bolt.

Then, with the cap-iron fitted as close to the blade edge as possible, see if's it's actually POSSIBLE to get the blade to a reasonable projection (ideally zero) with the cap-iron engaged on the yoke.

BugBear

 

[woodbutcher]

hi all,

the blade just about clears the soul but the ajuster is tight against the frog the y leaver is not bent the pin is not bent the plane was passed to me a couple of weeks ago after my mother inlaw had a clear out of her sheds and found the plane tucked away.
since then i have been trying to get it to work properly, and as i have said i have repositioned the frog which has helped but i still can't get the normal range of adjustment on it.

woodbutcher
(richard)

 

[Tom K]

Is this having done BB's experiment? If you take the adjuster nut off does
the blade clear? Is it the yoke (Y lever) bottoming out or the adjuster nut?
When you say the Y lever is straight what part of it are you refering to?
Are you familiar with Patrick Leach's site
http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan1.htm

 

[GazPal]

Nah the cap iron is well within normal range and he says he fitted the cap iron close to the edge of the blade. Unless the plane is fitted with an incorrect frog or the area that the yoke fits to is badly cast the yoke is the
most likely culprit. If the yoke is'nt bent or cracked then perhaps the pivot pin is.

This ^^^ and it's definitely not over-complicating things..

Apart from the iron:cap iron combination possibly slipping off the yoke just before or after the lever cap is un-erringly fitted without realising, the only other thing I can think of is the possibility that the tip of the yoke - where it bears against the slot in the cap iron - is worn and slipping past or out of it's slot. In either cases the blade could slip forward - off the yoke - and become impossible to adjust unless the yoke is shifted and slips back into it's slot in the cap iron.

How old is the plane?

 

[Vann]

...the plane was passed to me a couple of weeks ago after my mother inlaw...

A-ha, I think I see the problem. She doesn't like you, does she?

:lol:

Cheers, Vann.

 

[woodbutcher]

hi vann

on the contuary i am the blue eyed boy as far as she is concerned and at 90years old the other love in her life is (jhony waker, bells, and any other type of whiskey) along with the 60 or so pills she has to take each day. :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:

woodbutcher
(richard)

 

[lanemaux]

Please excuse my presumption. I am new here and do not wish to presume to the knowledge of the others who are here. That said , I put on my Sherlock hat and looked at a number 3 that I keep close to the puter (along with my 8,several makes of 4 and a jack to balance the tableaux). Is it possible that at some time in the past the yoke pin came out and when it was replaced the yoke was put in upside down? My number 3 shows a small bend in its length that were it reversed might just make a considerable difference to how it might register to the cap iron. As I cannot see your yoke , this is just a guess. Hope it helps
Mike

 

[Alf]

...a number 3 that I keep close to the puter (along with my 8,several makes of 4 and a jack to balance the tableaux).

Welcome, Mike. I like you already. :lol:

 

[jimi43]

...a number 3 that I keep close to the puter (along with my 8,several makes of 4 and a jack to balance the tableaux).

Welcome, Mike. I like you already. :lol:

AH! but does he keep the shavings on his computer desk during TV whittling sessions watching black and white old filums???

8)

Jim

 

[lanemaux]

Actually Jim, that is remarkably accurate today, although Return of the Dragon is in colour and a bit campy for the term filum. LOML has just given me the word that shavings on the puter desk impede her mouse when checking her e-mails, remove same. Do not recall when those shavings got there. Perhaps during my first posting here. I will take that as a good omen, and may I find many more . (Both the shavings and postings)
Alf, thanks for the welcome, your reviews and humour have been a great incentive for me to join officially after lengthy lurking
Mike

 

[jimi43]

Watching OPERATION PETTICOAT I realised it was actually in "colour"...well sort of pinks and light blues...but you are forgive for breaking the B&W law accordingly!

Jim

 

[Alf]

Operation Petticoat really wouldn't work without the colour, pink being a rather important feature.

Can't say I've ever made shavings at the 'puter, although I've come close. Going too far to fit a vice, d'you think... :-k

 

[jimi43]

Operation Petticoat really wouldn't work without the colour, pink being a rather important feature.

Can't say I've ever made shavings at the 'puter, although I've come close. Going too far to fit a vice, d'you think... :-k

Agreed!

Now...I have a little vice....mmmm

 

[lanemaux]

Lovely idea Alf. Just happens I have a stanley portable vise . (730 I believe , have to check that) that just might fit the desk overhang on the left side. Not ideal , but as a southpaw it might suit for spokeshave whittlin. Few sounds relax me more than the sound of sharp blade and smooth cutting.
Mike