Getting off track, but I believe Tony Blair was the biggest war monger sending British troops to die in 6 conflicts, all of which are highly questionable. Thats more I think than any other Prime Minister or President! This included Iraq in both 1998 and 2003, Kosovo (1999), Sierra Leone (2000) and Afghanistan (2001).
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Jacob
What goes around comes around.
I agree but I doubt the figures; I'd guess USA killed more.
Not the figures anyway my comment was about the principle that some lives are sacrosanct and others disposable - in very large numbers, including the unborn, the newborn, women and children...etc etc.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/59239/blairs-five-wars
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RobinBHM
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Tony, where has all the division and hate come from over the last decade?
Brexit
Trump
Johnson
Farage
Suella Braverman
Lee Anderson
Tony, look at the hate and division in America…..that’s all been driven by Trump and his MAGA supporters.
Tony you suffer the most severe cognitive dissonance I’ve ever come across.
RobinBHM
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Both were very good decisions
Iraq and Afghanistan were Americas “war on Terror” by President Bush.
Any U.K. govt would’ve supported them given we are a puppet of the USA -Tories voted in favour of both and would supported them had they been in power.
Perhaps you could explain how our “special relationship” would’ve worked out had we said no.
Now that the America and the West is engaged in an actual just war of preventing the brutal Imperialist conquer parts of Eastern Europe the batsh1t republicans have turned into Russian apologists.
I’m no fan of Blair, he was far too neo liberal, but nevertheless still a good leader. Biden is a good leader in USA. Trump is not.
RobinBHM
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Fundamentalists care about power and control, they don’t care about people.
America has been a mixture of global peacemaker and simultaneously using its power for vested interests….it’s not as cut and dried as the left or right claim.
I fear for the people of Gaza under Trump.
Trump loves the hard right leaders and Netanyahu is a perfect example
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I shouldn't have directed quoted you, we all make mistakes in grammar, spelling etc. Apologies for that.
What I should've said is that, no, you have not got it right.
Limited time today, so later.
sploo
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A tiny part of me wonders if the Gaetz appointment is something of a dead cat strategy. Even ignoring his personal traits he's (professionally) not qualified for the role - so it may just be one of Trump's ploys of distracting attention by throwing out something completely insane. If Gaetz's appointment is blocked then it may not really be a big problem for him, and he can still claim to have supported those that supported him (as it's "others" that blocked it).
ey_tony
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At least I'm not an extremist! The cognitive dissonance is all yours. As I've said already, your bias doesn't allow you to see that you're what many would consider an extremist. I have dislikes I admit but I'm not remotely obsessed like yourself and much of the division in this country is propagated by people with your opinions and outlook.
Just because someone has an opinion which conflicts with yours then it's hate in your eyes...absolute nonsense.
I'm one of those people who looks closely to home to see what can be done to improve things here, I just don't spend my time obsessing about the people of America and who they voted for. It's unhealthy and unhelpful too and people like yourself will certainly not improve the UK's relations with the American nation going forward while you're shouting at them, telling them they're wrong.
It would benefit this country enormously if people like yourself were silent rather that commenting derogatively on such as a America. You don't speak for me or the majority and we don't need people with your mindset souring relations further after stupid boys Starmer & Lammy already did.
Most of the hate in America is actually driven by people with your mindset, the people who voted for Trump just want to get on with their lives. If their choices of government officers don't match yours, tough! It's their country not yours.
When commenting of another’s countries nominees, I always like to look to our own, just to check how we have done. Our equivalent to Matts proposed role is Lord Hermes, also a surprise appointment, best buddies of Stammer and threw £5K into Stammers campaign chest. Politically nieve, but clearly a capable lawyer.
Now, I prefer not to condemn a man before he’s actually been tried for any crime, called me old school, so taking any rumours about Matt to one side, the two are very similar, both competent lawyers, both politically nieve, just one is left wing and the other is right wing.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mers-surprise-appointment-as-attorney-general
A big difference between the UK and the USA is that the USA has a system of checks and balances on appointments by the President, whereas in the UK the Prime Minister has a free hand.
Now, I prefer not to condemn a man before he’s actually been tried for any crime, called me old school, so taking any rumours about Matt to one side, the two are very similar, both competent lawyers, both politically nieve, just one is left wing and the other is right wing.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mers-surprise-appointment-as-attorney-general
A big difference between the UK and the USA is that the USA has a system of checks and balances on appointments by the President, whereas in the UK the Prime Minister has a free hand.
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martin45
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RobinBHM said:
"I fear for the people of Gaza under Trump."
Unlike Biden and Harris who protected them so well against genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel?
Really?
"I fear for the people of Gaza under Trump."
Unlike Biden and Harris who protected them so well against genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel?
Really?
Jacob
What goes around comes around.
Well yes a very odd thing to say. Could things be much more awful?
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To help @Noel after his character assignation (making a discussion personal only diminishes their perspective) I thought I’d share one of my actual ‘valued’ sources of journalistic reviews of current affairs. Rita is a star!
If you look carefully you can see Rupert Murdoch pulling the strings.
Terry - Somerset
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This is nonsense. The main characteristics of Leave supporters:
- older
- lower educational attainment
- probably conservative
Low educational attainment and elderly do not mark an individual as "right wing". Is it just an insult - a characterisation you apply to all who do not agree with your views, irrespective of any other factors - political or otherwise.
sploo
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I suspect Robin meant those who were behind it/running the campaign; rather than those who voted for it.
Just like Trump is of the elite, from the elite, and most definitely for the elite - but most of his voters are not.
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RobinBHM
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Thank you for your reply.
I apologise if I wasn’t being clear, but I was specifically talking about the people behind the Brexit campaign, I wasn’t referring to the voters at all.
I was responding specifically to Scuples statement: “What's not to like about Farage? He helped to give the country what they wanted, right?”
I seen some people compare Trump to Brexit, but I disagree, the Trump is morally and criminally corrupt, there is no justification for supporting him.
martin45
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I do wonder if Trump is being "clever" by putting forward a group of extreme headbangers for his cabinet so that he appears to be more "reasonable".
RobinBHM
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goodness knows, all I do know is that those who voted for him own the whole mess.
I do wonder about all the left wingers hand wringing over Trumps election. This was true democracy in action. He received over 76 million votes more than any other president in history. Overwhelming it’s what the American public wanted.
We have a left wing government in the UK but I didn’t see a huge amount of debate over the fact they were able form a government with only 34% of those who voted, voting for them and giving them 67% of the seats in parliament. That’s clearly absurd result and a failure of our system. Is it just the left wingers are sore losers?
We have a left wing government in the UK but I didn’t see a huge amount of debate over the fact they were able form a government with only 34% of those who voted, voting for them and giving them 67% of the seats in parliament. That’s clearly absurd result and a failure of our system. Is it just the left wingers are sore losers?
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