President Elect's 'top team'

[deema]

Odd how fundamentalists are so concerned about the sanctity of life at one level but so reckless at another. Think of all the places where American bombs have been dropped since WW2, by USA itself or as supplied to their allies. Not to mention the insurrections they have encouraged and supported over the years.

Getting off track, but I believe Tony Blair was the biggest war monger sending British troops to die in 6 conflicts, all of which are highly questionable. Thats more I think than any other Prime Minister or President! This included Iraq in both 1998 and 2003, Kosovo (1999), Sierra Leone (2000) and Afghanistan (2001).

 

[Jacob]

Getting off track, but I believe Tony Blair was the biggest war monger sending British troops to die in 6 conflicts, all of which are highly questionable. Thats more I think than any other Prime Minister or President! This included Iraq in both 1998 and 2003, Kosovo (1999), Sierra Leone (2000) and Afghanistan (2001).

I agree but I doubt the figures; I'd guess USA killed more.
Not the figures anyway my comment was about the principle that some lives are sacrosanct and others disposable - in very large numbers, including the unborn, the newborn, women and children...etc etc.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/59239/blairs-five-wars

 

[RobinBHM]

I just don't like left wing politics primarily because of the people who subscribe to them mostly because of the hate and division they generate

Tony, where has all the division and hate come from over the last decade?

Brexit
Trump
Johnson
Farage
Suella Braverman
Lee Anderson


Tony, look at the hate and division in America…..that’s all been driven by Trump and his MAGA supporters.

Tony you suffer the most severe cognitive dissonance I’ve ever come across.

 

[RobinBHM]

Kosovo (1999), Sierra Leone (2000

Both were very good decisions


Iraq and Afghanistan were Americas “war on Terror” by President Bush.
Any U.K. govt would’ve supported them given we are a puppet of the USA -Tories voted in favour of both and would supported them had they been in power.

Perhaps you could explain how our “special relationship” would’ve worked out had we said no.


Now that the America and the West is engaged in an actual just war of preventing the brutal Imperialist conquer parts of Eastern Europe the batsh1t republicans have turned into Russian apologists.

I’m no fan of Blair, he was far too neo liberal, but nevertheless still a good leader. Biden is a good leader in USA. Trump is not.

 

[RobinBHM]

Odd how fundamentalists are so concerned about the sanctity of life at one level but so reckless at another. Think of all the places where American bombs have been dropped since WW2, by USA itself or as supplied to their allies. Not to mention the insurrections they have encouraged and supported over the years.

Fundamentalists care about power and control, they don’t care about people.

America has been a mixture of global peacemaker and simultaneously using its power for vested interests….it’s not as cut and dried as the left or right claim.

I fear for the people of Gaza under Trump.

Trump loves the hard right leaders and Netanyahu is a perfect example

 

[Noel]

Thanks Noel, as I’ve said before, I’m a bit word blind and don’t see my typos and appreciate when they are highlighted so I can address and hopefully learn from them.

I’m fairly sure I’m representing the Republicans view, or more specifically Trumps view. He has made his personal views clear a few times, although he has I understand rolled back the narrative to ‘allow each state to decide’. Here is one source of many where his views that I reflected are given. If you have a source that can help my understanding and correct me if I’m wrong, it would be appreciated if you could link or at least highlight what the correct perspective is.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-abortion-2024/

I shouldn't have directed quoted you, we all make mistakes in grammar, spelling etc. Apologies for that.

What I should've said is that, no, you have not got it right.
Limited time today, so later.

 

[sploo]

Some conservative Senators have been expressing doubt about Matt Gaetz and also interest in the information the House Ethics Committee has from its long-running investigation into potential ethical lapses by Gaetz. I may be wildly optimistic, but I'd like to think that's a signal that the Senate might not approve him. And surely there are enough Senators with military experience or at least respect for military practices to turn Hegseth down. It would be a lovely start to the Trump second term to have some of his nominations squelched.

A tiny part of me wonders if the Gaetz appointment is something of a dead cat strategy. Even ignoring his personal traits he's (professionally) not qualified for the role - so it may just be one of Trump's ploys of distracting attention by throwing out something completely insane. If Gaetz's appointment is blocked then it may not really be a big problem for him, and he can still claim to have supported those that supported him (as it's "others" that blocked it).

 

[ey_tony]

Tony, where has all the division and hate come from over the last decade?

Brexit
Trump
Johnson
Farage
Suella Braverman
Lee Anderson


Tony, look at the hate and division in America…..that’s all been driven by Trump and his MAGA supporters.

Tony you suffer the most severe cognitive dissonance I’ve ever come across.

At least I'm not an extremist! The cognitive dissonance is all yours. As I've said already, your bias doesn't allow you to see that you're what many would consider an extremist. I have dislikes I admit but I'm not remotely obsessed like yourself and much of the division in this country is propagated by people with your opinions and outlook.
Just because someone has an opinion which conflicts with yours then it's hate in your eyes...absolute nonsense.

I'm one of those people who looks closely to home to see what can be done to improve things here, I just don't spend my time obsessing about the people of America and who they voted for. It's unhealthy and unhelpful too and people like yourself will certainly not improve the UK's relations with the American nation going forward while you're shouting at them, telling them they're wrong.
It would benefit this country enormously if people like yourself were silent rather that commenting derogatively on such as a America. You don't speak for me or the majority and we don't need people with your mindset souring relations further after stupid boys Starmer & Lammy already did.

Most of the hate in America is actually driven by people with your mindset, the people who voted for Trump just want to get on with their lives. If their choices of government officers don't match yours, tough! It's their country not yours.

 

[deema]

When commenting of another’s countries nominees, I always like to look to our own, just to check how we have done. Our equivalent to Matts proposed role is Lord Hermes, also a surprise appointment, best buddies of Stammer and threw £5K into Stammers campaign chest. Politically nieve, but clearly a capable lawyer.
Now, I prefer not to condemn a man before he’s actually been tried for any crime, called me old school, so taking any rumours about Matt to one side, the two are very similar, both competent lawyers, both politically nieve, just one is left wing and the other is right wing.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mers-surprise-appointment-as-attorney-general

A big difference between the UK and the USA is that the USA has a system of checks and balances on appointments by the President, whereas in the UK the Prime Minister has a free hand.

 

[martin45]

RobinBHM said:
"I fear for the people of Gaza under Trump."

Unlike Biden and Harris who protected them so well against genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel?
Really?

 

[Jacob]

RobinBHM said:
"I fear for the people of Gaza under Trump."

Unlike Biden and Harris who protected them so well against genocide and ethnic cleansing by Israel?
Really?

Well yes a very odd thing to say. Could things be much more awful?

 

[Blackswanwood]

To help @Noel after his character assignation (making a discussion personal only diminishes their perspective) I thought I’d share one of my actual ‘valued’ sources of journalistic reviews of current affairs. Rita is a star!

If you look carefully you can see Rupert Murdoch pulling the strings.

 

[Terry - Somerset]

Brexit was a vehicle for right wing populists. Brexit only benefits the very wealthy disaster capitalists, hedge fund managers, the Tufton street free market libertarians.

This is nonsense. The main characteristics of Leave supporters:

• older
• lower educational attainment
• probably conservative

See YouGov analysis. 35% of Labour supporters voted for Brexit, 32% of Libdems. Predictably 95% of UKIP did likewise.

Low educational attainment and elderly do not mark an individual as "right wing". Is it just an insult - a characterisation you apply to all who do not agree with your views, irrespective of any other factors - political or otherwise.

 

[sploo]

This is nonsense. The main characteristics of Leave supporters:

• older
• lower educational attainment
• probably conservative

See YouGov analysis. 35% of Labour supporters voted for Brexit, 32% of Libdems. Predictably 95% of UKIP did likewise.

Low educational attainment and elderly do not mark an individual as "right wing". Is it just an insult - a characterisation you apply to all who do not agree with your views, irrespective of any other factors - political or otherwise.

I suspect Robin meant those who were behind it/running the campaign; rather than those who voted for it.

Just like Trump is of the elite, from the elite, and most definitely for the elite - but most of his voters are not.